2 hours ago, PILOT'S said:

What attack where, by whom, what are you referring to?

Jerome

I wasn't going to say anything else on this but this 'Cancel Culture' trigger responce to everything that offends us has gone too far and not needed especially here on the FS forums:

Jerome, this isn't about you or your company.  This isn't about the product within itself.  This is about the B314.  You choose to do one of the most iconic aircraft in the history of aviation. For those of us that love this bird we want to see it done right.  Especially when those before us didn't have the forethought to keep at least a few of these birds around.  Just like the P51, Corsair, F-14, and 737 have been brought to MSFS in amazing detail we want the same done for the B314.  This bird should at least be on par with the default G36 visually (cockpit/cabin, inside and out).

Many of us take the same stance with PMDG (for example).  They still have not released an EFB for their 737 product line.  There's not a single 737NG flying today without one in the cockpit.  Many of us bought the aircraft but don't use it because of this.  By contrast they've missed sales because of this.  PMDG has heard us and responded with updates not vitriol because we dare ask.

So with that said, I asked you guys a year ago to not release this bird without a cabin as this was a golden opportunity to see what this bird was really like in the confines of FS.  You did that and although it's not fully realized it's much appreciated. I personally want to virtually walk through the cabin and see this bird on inside like it really was. As Asobo and Microsoft have said, with VR and the advancements of technology we have very accurate renditions of aircraft long gone that no one will ever see again in the real world.  For those of us who are aviation fans the B314 is iconic.  This bird deserves to be brought back to life properly in MSFS just like other aircraft have.  Asobo has spent so much time bringing back aircraft from the past most of us never heard about in amazing detail.  Why is it too much to ask for that same care and detail brought to the B314?  You chose this aircraft we didn't but if your going to do it, do it justice.  That's the whole point your missing.😐🍺 

 

Edited March 17, 20233 yr by Dillon

The developer's behaviour really convinced me to never buy this and any product from him.

Deleting content and acting like the 'Truth Police' is outrageous.  Every time someone mentions 'Constructive criticism only', the meaning is always 'Criticism I like to hear only', which sometimes is none.  With such behavior, the next step is to turn this thread into a 'positivity bubble', with half a dozen people who think this addon is good and form a line of defense with these people defending it no matter what.  

Jerome, every dev has the right to defend their work against 'lies' and 'misinformation'. However, there are 1000 ways to do it better than you are doing it, and all of those 1000 ways involve maintaining the absolute level of respect, no matter if the person has dropped the bar and gone straight to defaming your work. If you even resort to personal attack to answer him, you automatically lose the argument, no matter if you're right and he's wrong.  Regarding respect, it also involves listening to criticism, even if you think it's wrong.  

With your behavior here, you're damaging your own reputation more than you think the reviewers are. Think about it.

32 minutes ago, PILOT'S said:

Since you seem to be one of the individuals here who like to loosely throw around the word "attack", it is clearly something you have dreamed up. I have no idea what motivates you to misconstrue things and make a comment here that spreads misinformation by suggesting

I quote: 

"ITB didn't even spend 5 mins. with any documentation! Making such a video with content such as “I’m not sure that the 314 has a water rudder”, when it clearly does, and “apparently we should be fine to take-off with the flaps up” is just cringeworthy. This is all covered by info that is in the included documentation. Should such a reviewer make a minimum effort in preparation and actually bother to open the included PDFs for that purpose? Apparently they think it's not necessary, I have no idea why."

Wholy untrue. Rebuttal under ITBs video as I have said previously.

 

Edited March 17, 20233 yr by jarmstro

11 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I quote: 

"ITB didn't even spend 5 mins. with any documentation! Making such a video with content such as “I’m not sure that the 314 has a water rudder”, when it clearly does, and “apparently we should be fine to take-off with the flaps up” is just cringeworthy. This is all covered by info that is in the included documentation. Should such a reviewer make a minimum effort in preparation and actually bother to open the included PDFs for that purpose? Apparently they think it's not necessary, I have no idea why."

All untrue. Rebuttal under ITBs video as I have said previously.

 

Yes, that is exactly what I wrote. Perhaps you could do us all a favour and clarify what part of this is actually an "attack".

I have not once suggested that the video by ITB was an attack on our product, nor has ITB ever suggested that there was any form of attack on ITB by PILOT'S.

You seem to be the one spreading such misinformation by writing things such as "ITB has commented on the attack on him by the Developer on his YouTube channel."

Jerome

12 minutes ago, PILOT'S said:

Yes, that is exactly what I wrote. Perhaps you could do us all a favour and clarify what part of this is actually an "attack".

I have not once suggested that the video by ITB was an attack on our product, nor has ITB ever suggested that there was any form of attack on ITB by PILOT'S.

You seem to be the one spreading such misinformation by writing things such as "ITB has commented on the attack on him by the Developer on his YouTube channel."

Jerome

How would you characterize claiming a review was inaccurate and the reviewer had not read the manual other than as an attack on the review ?

45 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I wasn't going to say anything else on this but this 'Cancel Culture' trigger responce to everything that offends us has gone too far and not needed especially here on the FS forums:

Jerome, this isn't about you or your company.  This isn't about the product within itself.  This is about the B314.  You choose to do one of the most iconic aircraft in the history of aviation. For those of us that love this bird we want to see it done right.  Especially when those before us didn't have the forethought to keep at least a few of these birds around.  Just like the P51, Corsair, F-14, and 737 have been brought to MSFS in amazing detail we want the same done for the B314.  This bird should at least be on par with the default G36 visually (cockpit/cabin, inside and out).

Many of us take the same stance with PMDG (for example).  They still have not released an EFB for their 737 product line.  There's not a single 737NG flying today without one in the cockpit.  Many of us bought the aircraft but don't use it because of this.  By contrast they've missed sales because of this.  PMDG has heard us and responded with updates not vitriol because we dare ask.

So with that said, I asked you guys a year ago to not release this bird without a cabin as this was a golden opportunity to see what this bird was really like in the confines of FS.  You did that and although it's not fully realized it's much appreciated. I personally want to virtually walk through the cabin and see this bird on inside like it really was. As Asobo and Microsoft have said, with VR and the advancements of technology we have very accurate renditions of aircraft long gone that no one will ever see again in the real world.  For those of us who are aviation fans the B314 is iconic.  This bird deserves to brought back to life properly if MSFS just like other aircraft have.  Asobo has spent so much time bringing back aircraft from the past most of us never heard about in amazing detail.  Why is it too much to ask for that same care and detail brought to the B314?  You chose this aircraft we didn't but if your going to do it, do it justice.  That's the whole point your missing.😐🍺 

 

Dillon, I have not blocked you, why should I have? On Wednesday you posted in this thread writing:

Your documentation still states, 'P3D' proving it's a port.  With a full out rebuild of a product the last thing that would be forgotten about is the documentation.  All that hard work only to leave the previous sim's docs in the install is unbelievable to say the least.

Nothing could be further from the truth, I would, however, never block you. I also have full moderator rights here and could have removed you from this thread, as you can see, I didn't! I could also have removed your post(s), for the record I have not deleted or edited a single post here.

I get that you are passionate about the Clipper, and it is absolutely fantastic that you are! I'm surprised that you did not set the record straight on what you wrote.

The first B-314 update is progressing well and still on track for release later on today. Among other things, we will be adding brand new VC interior textures and I welcome your feedback on those once you have them.

Jerome

 

8 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

How would you characterize claiming a review was inaccurate and the reviewer had not read the manual other than as an attack on the review ?

The words "opinion" and "reaction" come to mind.

Jerome

2 minutes ago, PILOT'S said:

The words "opinion" and "reaction" come to mind.

Jerome

And the word "attack" comes to other peoples minds.

The fact remains is that it seems an entirely valid way to describe your actions. you may not like it being described that way, but ultimately that's your problem.

Edited March 17, 20233 yr by Matchstick

4 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

And the word "attack" comes to other peoples minds.

The fact remains is that it seems an entirely valid way to describe your actions. you may not like it being described that way, but ultimately that's your problem.

Yes, it would seem so, be my guest and describe it as an attack if you insist and it makes you happy, even if it is not an attack, and merely criticism. There are also others that consider 5 mins of YouTube garbage to be a review.

The funny thing is that I have never described the ITB video as an attack, nor has ITB ever described any form of attack on them by PILOT'S. So posting here and writing "ITB has commented on the attack on him by the Developer on his YouTube channel" is spreading misinformation and misleading.

Jerome

1 minute ago, PILOT'S said:

There are also others that consider 5 mins of YouTube garbage to be a review.

Words fail me.

29 minutes ago, PILOT'S said:

There are also others that consider 5 mins of YouTube garbage to be a review.

This is obviously not an attack but a well-considered opinion, right? 🙂

You really should think about hiring a PR professional.

1 hour ago, PILOT'S said:

The funny thing is that I have never described the ITB video as an attack, nor has ITB ever described any form of attack on them by PILOT'S.

I quote from ITBs statement:

"PILOT’s unfortunately seems to have taken this review as an attack on the product. That was not my intention and I feel I was fair and honest throughout (I don’t think that any of the negative points I made regarding the Clipper, were not backed up with examples during the video and if there were any omissions, I would be happy to record further footage, as frankly I don’t think I made any statements that wouldn’t be demonstrable)."

21 hours ago, jarmstro said:

....

Apart from independent reviews what other method do we have in order to decide whether to buy? 

Now that is an easy one, jarmstro.....
Let the developers and vendors offer us trial versions again like they did in the past!!!! 🤐

Edited March 17, 20233 yr by Scorpio47

14 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

Jerome-

May I please suggest sharing this with the Dev. team? Andy is someone whom I put a great deal of stock in, and he’s not prone to histrionics. We are both ardent fans of radials over blue water, and remain excited about the possibilities this product holds.

Ta- C

Well said, cavaricooper!
However the observation in that post does not correspond to my experience. Actually it is easy to make the B314 take off, just push F5 then F7 at around 60 knots, set a bit of nose up trim and wait...... at about 90 the ship will lift itself up and fly, retract flaps again and set trim as desired. That is all....

13 hours ago, PILOT'S said:

Andrew, the flap indicator also did not have any markings on it in real life. All flap positions have now been added to tomorrow's update, these are:

 0°, 1°, 2°, 3°, 10°, 20°, 30°, 40°, 50°, 60°

We have also adjusted some of the contact point settings to allow the B-314 to sit better in the water, as well as improve general behaviour while in the water.

Some of the interior textures have also been adjusted, If possible, I'll post some screenshots before I head to bed. We are also discussing creating different cockpit carpet colouring as an option, for those that find the current green not so very appealing.

Jerome

THANK YOU, Jerôme !!!!  👍🛩️