3 minutes ago, dmwalker said:

It's unfortunate that a ufologist was involved. That lowers the overall credibility by about 30%.

 

I'd say 60%. These guys make money out of this stuff. 

21 minutes ago, martin-w said:

The claims by the self-claimed ‘ufologist’ have not been proven and Mr Maussan has previously been associated with claims of discoveries that have later been debunked.

So let's wait for some more reputable people to take a look at the data, and perform independent analysis. The invitation is open apparently. 

Here we have both the extraordinary claim and what appears to be a body (literally) of extraordinary evidence.

(Scientific) skeptics and believers should be jumping all over this to try to verify or debunk it. I'm not going to let the media (with a proven track record of agendas, biases and mischaracterization) decide for me.

I'd also wait for the translation of the actual event to see what was really said about the debunked "mummified" bodies from 2017.  (Note that these specimen are not mummified, but are apparently perfectly preserved and intact due to a combination of environmental and other factors).

DB

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3 minutes ago, DaviiB said:

So let's wait for some more reputable people to take a look at the data, and perform independent analysis.

 

Agreed. 

Chris Lehto's video is interesting. In particular the device across the chest. How an organism with three long finger's and no opposable digit would manipulate tools and develop technology is a question I'd pose. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 20232 yr by martin-w

27 minutes ago, martin-w said:

How an organism with three long finger's and no opposable digit would manipulate tools and develop technology is a question I'd pose. 

Fair, but for me that would all be secondary to "Is the organism actually real and non-human?". IMO that is the only relevant question right now.

Once you establish that, the question of tool manipulation would be very, very far down the list of what I'd ask next lol.

DB

7 minutes ago, DaviiB said:

Fair, but for me that would all be secondary to "Is the organism actually real and non-human?". IMO that is the only relevant question right now.

Once you establish that, the question of tool manipulation would be very, very far down the list of what I'd ask next lol.

DB

 

I agree, it was just something I found myself pondering. 

If these "aliens" are genuine, maybe the most important discovery would be that they are DNA-based, so it will be interesting to see if the unknown 30% of the DNA can be characterised. The following article shows that, so far, up to eight bases can be used to create DNA instead of the usual four bases. I suppose it also shows that fake "alien DNA" samples could be created in the laboratory.

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/eight-letter-genetic-code-hints-at-how-alien-life-might-evolve/3010145.article

Well, Mick West has spoken: "I'm done with the ridiculous alien bodies nonsense. They are fake."

https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1702104839348801974?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet 

1 hour ago, dmwalker said:

Well, Mick West has spoken: "I'm done with the ridiculous alien bodies nonsense. They are fake."

https://twitter.com/MickWest/status/1702104839348801974?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

Mick is attacking the people, rather than the evidence. That's more "debunker" than "skeptic". 

That said, it seems the people (person?) involved in this are easy to attack (for a myriad of reasons), but that can't get in the way of a proper analysis of the data. They literally brought receipts. Something... something.... scientific method..... evidence...etc 

We can get back to judging the messenger if all of the evidence proves inconclusive after independent review. 

10 hours ago, dmwalker said:

maybe the most important discovery would be that they are DNA-based

Thoughts on this..... if the requisite chemicals to spawn "life" on earth came from "out there" (asteroid impacts while earth was a molten ball?) , why would it be surprising to find out that similar processes happened elsewhere, and life just evolved differently under different conditions? 

By that reasoning, I'd be more surprised to find extraterrestrial life that wasn't DNA-based. 

^^^ that's all subject to which version of universal / planetary history you subscribe to. 

DB 

The NASA news conference

 

 

What Mick West's website has to say about the claimed alien bodies.

 

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alien-bodies-at-a-mexican-uap-hearing.13163/

 

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Maussan has a poor reputation, even amongst UFO fans, he's been parading these and similar bodies around for year. They are generally considered to be fakes, made, in part, from human remains. It came up before on Metabunk in 2017:

 

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Also in the hearing, Maussan presented the old Mexican Air Force UFO video, which appears to show on the flares of oil rigs, but Maussan and others claim it's UFOs.

 

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Even Garry Nolan thinks these "alien bodies" are fake and he links to a pretty good youtube video about it.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, martin-w said:

What Mick West's website has to say about the claimed alien bodies.

 

At 8:00 of this video, referred to by Garry Nolan, you can see how an animal skull could be modified to look like the alien skull.

At 2:53:13 of the video from the Mexican Congressional Hearing on September 12th, the alien skull does look as if the back has been modified in exactly the same way.

How seriously should we take this?

 

The Earth may be destroyed by an asteroid. There may be very large dinosaurs hidden in the Congo jungle. Aliens may have visited Earth. Earth may get hotter and the coasts flood badly.

I don't think I am agenda driven. And I hope the government concentrates time and money on the issues and problems at least more reasonably probable and therefore more important than the above by weight of significant evidence.

9 hours ago, dmwalker said:

How seriously should we take this?

 

It's worth approximately what you paid for it until the whistleblower comes forward publicly.

That said, James Fox has been at this for a long time, and is connected with a lot of people.

Add it to the massive (and growing) pile of witness accounts, testimony, secondhand information, circumstantial (and physical) evidence that comes with this topic, then come to your own conclusions.

Cheers

DB

9 hours ago, Fielder said:

The Earth may be destroyed by an asteroid. There may be very large dinosaurs hidden in the Congo jungle. Aliens may have visited Earth. Earth may get hotter and the coasts flood badly.

I don't think I am agenda driven. And I hope the government concentrates time and money on the issues and problems at least more reasonably probable and therefore more important than the above by weight of significant evidence.

As it applies to the claims made by David Grusch RE: Active efforts to reverse engineer advanced vehicles of Non-Human origin. 

The technological advances that could come of it could possibly resolve both of the life-threatening situations you mentioned. 

If the secrecy around the subject (keeping it away from open science) is preventing technological breakthroughs, that is an issue that probably deserves some time and money directed toward it. 

If breakthroughs have been made (which could address the threats you mentioned) , and they are being sequestered away from the public for some reason, that is definitely an issue that deserves some time and money directed toward it. 

Also consider potential advances in medicine, biology, material science etc etc, that could be made from the open scientific analysis of the things that have been alleged. We might even be able to finally track down that damned dinosaur in the Congo.... /sarcasm

 

DB

Edited September 16, 20232 yr by DaviiB