Austin's video on FM improvements in XP 12.0.8

[jcomm 5,961]

21 hours ago, Murmur said:

.) Jet engine thrust limits for max KEAS and max inlet temperature. This resulted from an exchange I had with Austin months ago, all beginning with a thread here on AVSIM about F-14 being too fast at low altitudes. So thank you AVSIM!

.) Modeling of fuel-oil heat exchange (as it happens in real jet engines) and its influence on fuel temperature, also depending on speed, altitude, outside temperature, etc.;

.) Modeling of break-away friction for tires resulting in break-away thrust to start taxiing.

.) Refining of temperature model for reciprocating engines, based on real flight test data.

.) Some final statements about other things the rest of the team is working on.

XP steamrolling away on flight model improvements like a quarterback in the NFL. 😁

 

 

Ok Murmur, you've done it !  I'm giving XP12 a new try...

I saw this thread yesterday, but so far from XP12 where I am these days I didn't even bother reading the details...

Today I decided to read more carefully and just found out who's the "influencer" behind these very interesting changes to the turbine engines in XP - Murmur !!!  Now, for me that means it is surely worth the try !!!

[Humpty 751]

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Ok Murmur, you've done it !  I'm giving XP12 a new try...

 

I knew it !

And do change the signature too 🤣

[turbomax 3,295]

22 hours ago, Murmur said:

I'm waiting for X-Plane scenery to model pebbles under water streams,

great idea, especially after other issues are fixed. like Garmins that work like real Garmins. working MENU button for starters. 

[Recognition 91]

What would we do without Austin's total enthusiasm!

[Franz007 505]

There is now an extended description of all improvements made, with their usual funny way of writing it 😀 Not uninteresting....

https://www.x-plane.com/kb/x-plane-12-08-release-notes/#1208-beta-1_Systems_changes_and_improvements

[Franz007 505]

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

great idea, especially after other issues are fixed. like Garmins that work like real Garmins. working MENU button for starters. 

I am not specialized in those systems but doesn't for example the Airfoillabs Beechcraft 350 have quite an advanced Garmin to offer? Or is there something missing there?

[turbomax 3,295]

I am talking about default x-plane, not some 3rd party addons for extra $$ 

[flying_carpet 657]

6 hours ago, GoranM said:

When you have someone who's a pilot, physicist and engineer...it's hard to go wrong with the physics.

 

THIS !! Such features makes the heart of engineers (and I'd say pilots and physicists, too) beat faster - I know what I'm talking about 😉.

[Franz007 505]

37 minutes ago, turbomax said:

I am talking about default x-plane, not some 3rd party addons for extra $$ 

I really hope they won‘t start investing time on such things, just for default plane that i think most of „hardcore-simmers“ don‘t use anyway because they will never reach the level of payware aircrafts. I almost never used any of the default aircrafts. For me this is the same as investing in ATC; i still don’t get why this is so important when we have online networks being way more realistic. But obviously this was requested by many…

Edited November 9, 2023 by Franz007

[BobFS88 648]

3 hours ago, Humpty said:

I knew it !

And do change the signature too 🤣

Here comes the big switch, if your lights blink, he just switch over 😆

[Murmur 3,944]

23 hours ago, Bjoern said:

On one hand, thank you for poking Austin to implement better jet engine modeling, on the other hand, curse you because a lot of third party aircraft will have to be updated now and I just know whose job that's gonna be if they're adandonware... 😑 😉

In theory, I think the new feature should be 100% retrocompatible. It is only of interest for supersonic aircraft, in any case.

If anything, this new feature would allow greater accuracy throughout the flight envelope, for those who want to modify old aircraft to take advantage of it. If not, they should just fly in 12.0.8 as they already did before.

[turbomax 3,295]

1 hour ago, Franz007 said:

1) really hope they won‘t start investing time on such things, just for default plane that i think most of „hardcore-simmers“ don‘t use anyway because 2) they will never reach the level of payware aircrafts.

3)  I almost never used any of the default aircrafts. For me this is the same as investing in ATC; i still don’t get why this is so important when we have online networks being way more realistic. 

1) what? I am not aware of a single developer who offers all Garmins (GNS 430/530/3000/5000) fully functional and for free. the default Garmins/avionics in MSFS are the best that there are out there, no payware developer has ever done that before. the workintitle group have a team of highest grade professional developers, have been working on this for years, including real pilots.

2) "they will never reach the level of payware aircrafts." you are joking, except it's not funny.

3)  "I almost never used any of the default aircrafts"

so that means because you as a single individual don't use it, but practically all current real aircraft have it, there is no need for fully functioning modern GPS that comes as default and that can be used/included by each and every 3rd party aircraft developer? so they don't all have to reinvent the GPS wheel every time from scratch, including all their potential bugs and update hassle that comes with it. go figure.

[mjrhealth 822]

1 hour ago, Franz007 said:

i still don’t get why this is so important when we have online networks being way more realistic.

Because many like me dont need nor want "full real:, just want something that gets us from A to B, neither do we want to learn all the ATC stuff so we wont get a slap from messing up. and I dont always finish my flight. Which iraises teh point, XPLANE ATC will never be full real. As for Laminar aircraft the Citation X is pretty darn good.

[Franz007 505]

21 minutes ago, turbomax said:

1) what? I am not aware of a single developer who offers all Garmins (GNS 430/530/3000/5000) fully functional and for free. the default Garmins/avionics in MSFS are the best that there are out there, no payware developer has ever done that before. the workintitle group have a team of highest grade professional developers, have been working on this for years, including real pilots.

2) "they will never reach the level of payware aircrafts." you are joking, except it's not funny.

3)  "I almost never used any of the default aircrafts"

so that means because you as a single individual don't use it, but practically all current real aircraft have it, there is no need for fully functioning modern GPS that comes as default and that can be used/included by each and every 3rd party aircraft developer? so they don't all have to reinvent the GPS wheel every time from scratch, including all their potential bugs and update hassle that comes with it. go figure.

As I said I am not specialised with Garmin. That‘s why I asked if you were missing something for example in the AFL Beech 350. Having better avionics is for sure a small advantage for those flying only from time to time and don‘t want to invest too much. But I am not convinced at all of the impact it has on people like me. I saw some real pilots demonstrating the B787 in MSFS with very good avionics as well. But obviously many stuff is still missing. Perhaps Asobo has the capacity to rival companies like PMDG, i don‘t know. But in my opinion hardcore-simmers end-up flying „study-level“ aircrafts anyway because they want the best. Avionics are just one part of an aircraft and there is so much more. Best example is the incredible depth of the CL60 that goes way further than just avionics (being almost perfect by the way). So again, for me, it would be a waste of energy and time if they started to spend a lot in avionics….just for default planes. So the ratio invest vs payback is very low in my opinion. Spending time in the base engine-modelling or wheel-inertia is for me of much greater value. I also don‘t think all sims have to copy what other offers. I am not a big fan of Asobo‘s approach and hope that Laminar won‘t go that way. It already hurts me each time i read how much they do for ATC 😄

Edited November 9, 2023 by Franz007

[Franz007 505]

51 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Because many like me dont need nor want "full real:, just want something that gets us from A to B, neither do we want to learn all the ATC stuff so we wont get a slap from messing up. and I dont always finish my flight. Which iraises teh point, XPLANE ATC will never be full real. As for Laminar aircraft the Citation X is pretty darn good.

I get your point. I am of course commenting such things from my own perspective because if I do it, I like to do it as realistic as possible but can understand that not everyone wants to go online on Vatsim or what else. I am also a bit disappointed to hear that they want to introduce multiplayer (if i got it right?). I tried it 2-3 times and didn‘t find it a pleasant experience with all kids flying into each others, although it could be fun in some situations, if flying together with some „friends“. But isn‘t that already possible by seting up a comon IP-number on a server? For me, the „elephant in the room“ are graphics, where they should spend some time and not being distracted by „gamey“ stuff. And also keep improving the weather-engine. Just my 2 cents.

At the same time of course, they cannot please everyone and I am fully aware of that 😊

Edited November 9, 2023 by Franz007