2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Not a debris “field” but debris from the aircraft were found over a year after the disappearance. They washed up on beaches in the western Indian Ocean. One item was the right wing flaperon that was positively identified as coming from MH 370 by the serial number of the part.

I remember now, wasn't there some scepticism around the single guy who kept finding all the parts?

I still find it very odd there wasn't a debris field found or hundreds of floating seat cushions etc like they'd normally find.

I'd agree, I don't think it simply vanished either , but I remain intrigued by the lack of debris like in most other accidents.

Having said that I remember flying in Borneo they lost an aircraft and couldn't find the wreckage for years, it was eventually discovered within only a few miles of the airport it had taken off from, so I suppose anything is possible. 

Edited November 24, 20232 yr by jon b

9 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Not a debris “field” but debris from the aircraft were found over a year after the disappearance. They washed up on beaches in the western Indian Ocean. One item was the right wing flaperon that was positively identified as coming from MH 370 by the serial number of the part.

This would indicate that the aircraft broke up - either in flight, or upon impact with the ocean. It did not “vanish into the void” in a big flash.

This is not a hill I'm willing to die on, but with that said...

There were some questions about the debris found that was allegedly from MH370. Another user already mentioned this. There was even some refutation of the calculations from the Inmarsat data that triangulated the aircraft's position in the southern Indian Ocean  (basically that they got the math wrong).

Regarding the videos.....absolutely nobody wants them to be real. Hence the lengths some have gone to try to demonstrate they are fake.

However, the closer people look into them, the harder it became to dismiss them as obvious fakes. It appears that it would have taken quite a bit of sophistication and knowledge (beyond normal VFX / CGI) to create the videos in 2014, and as-yet, nobody has claimed responsibility for making the videos.....something one might do if you were responsible for a highly sophisticated CGI creation floating around the internet.

The link to MH370 comes from the appearance that the aircraft in the video is a B777-200, the coordinates on the video pointing to the Nicobar Islands, and the timing of the video's release (mid-2014). 

Beyond that.....sure, it's coincidental. My interest in this came from the fairly intense scrutiny of the video, and the subsequent bewilderment of subject-matter experts who could not seem to demonstrate that it was an obvious fake. 

As for the actual fate of MH370, nobody here knows for sure. The videos just raise more questions.  That's once you get past the "They must be fake because they can't be real".....that's not a very scientific way of looking at things.

I hope the videos get properly (and conclusively) debunked....for all our sakes.

DB

Very interesting DB.

I obviously don’t know if the videos are real, that’s not my specialty. 
However as someone who flies, what I can tell you is those foo fighters are a real thing, if people want to believe that or not it’s up to them I’m not here to push that agenda. 
Again if this is an actual video of foo fighters or a fake I don’t know, but regardless, the subject matter is a real phenomenon and that part at least should not be dismissed as fiction.

Once again , if people don’t wish to believe that, it’s fine by me, it’s a paradigm shift that might not be welcome. However for those who believe, suspect, or want to believe that foo fighters are actually real and  interacting with aircraft,I can confirm that this is the case.

Edited November 25, 20232 yr by jon b

On the day it happened, I suspected Lithium batteries in a device in the cargo (perhaps somebody's luggage set a suitcase on fire) and soon the fumes knocked everyone for a loop). The plane then sailed along its merry way and eventually fuel ran out. Nobody alive to radio for help.

It's not just automobiles on the road that catch on fire. But also hobby shops (Radio Control planes and cars fast charging). Burn hot. Emit fumes. Everyone nearby passes out if they are in an enclosed space. The hobby shop burns down during the night.

I keep a covered plastic bucket of sand in the house near where I recharge those type of batteries. To dump on any fire. It's the only way to kill that type of hot fire. Normal fire extinguishers are useless. 

 

6 hours ago, jon b said:

However for those who believe, suspect, or want to believe that foo fighters are actually real

There is no doubt that Foo fighter are real:

Edited November 25, 20232 yr by FBW737

Yes, and phenomenon they were named after !

7 hours ago, Fielder said:

On the day it happened, I suspected Lithium batteries in a device in the cargo (perhaps somebody's luggage set a suitcase on fire) and soon the fumes knocked everyone for a loop).

"The missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was carrying lithium-ion batteries which can be highly flammable. As reported by numerous sources, the confirmation by MAS chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya during one of the daily briefings on the status of the search for the missing aircraft came four days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any hazardous goods."

7 hours ago, Fielder said:

The plane then sailed along its merry way and eventually fuel ran out. Nobody alive to radio for help.

Are you saying that the flight crew were not alerted to the fire and became unconscious and the flight continued to follow the planned route?  How did it suddenly change direction one hour after takeoff?

Yes I am saying that. It is the simplest and most reasonable explanation. While I was watching the live coverage of the event it came to mind as the best explanation. A plane flying in the wrong direction for hours and hours. The simple explanation is there is nobody alive to notice. Even if hijacked, the pilot is going to do something, such as changing the squawk to signal an extraordinary event. This he did not do. Seems to me the pilot is either deliberately going rogue and nobody else notices, or that there is nobody to notice, not even the pilot.

A fire is easily seen and radio for help follows. Fumes from lithium batteries are not seen. People just keel over never realizing a problem. It happens all the time, but only in enclosed spaces.

If the pilot is rogue and committing suicide, then I don't understand him flying along for hours and hours off course until running out of fuel. That's a long time to think it over. A suicide, seems to me, would be quick dive.

Anything is possible including alien abduction. Some things are more likely than others.

Before this incident, a Hobby Shop somewhat near me burnt down during the night. They were overnight charging high amp lithium batteries that powered the motors in radio control airplanes. So this was on my mind. Hobby shops sell fireproof bags to put the motor batteries in while charging, due to the danger. An online video tested them and they found that heaping sand on the batteries was found to be the best way to stop the batteries from melting down and emitting killer fumes. Normal fire extinguishers don't work.

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by Fielder

2 hours ago, Fielder said:

A plane flying in the wrong direction for hours and hours. The simple explanation is there is nobody alive to notice.

So, at what point in the flight do you think the flight crew lost consciousness:

Edited November 26, 20232 yr by dmwalker

I have no idea. But before the plane was being tracked just flying straight and level in the wrong direction and never was sending any more radio messages in answer to the radio calls being made to it. The simplest explanation is that everybody on board is dead. When lithium batteries badly overheat, they break down and begin to emit toxic gases, not necessarily any flame to see. But a whole lot of heat which can set any nearby substances on fire. But there may not be any substances near.

4 hours ago, Fielder said:

When lithium batteries badly overheat, they break down and begin to emit toxic gases, not necessarily any flame to see. But a whole lot of heat which can set any nearby substances on fire. But there may not be any substances near.

I think it's fully charged batteries that cause fires. Those lithium-ion batteries were shipped with a standard 30% charge. 

In support of your theory, they were loaded into the forward cargo hold, which does share circulated air with the flight deck.

In MH370, the batteries (221kg) were packed, along with other Motorola products, on two plastic wrapped wooden pallets. There were four other pallets including one with a shipment of books, so lots of combustible materials.

When thermal runaway occurs, first of all the electrolyte evaporates and then ignites. The electrolyte and its combustion byproducts would be respiratory irritants, not just odourless carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide.
 

4 hours ago, Fielder said:

I have no idea. But before the plane was being tracked just flying straight and level in the wrong direction and never was sending any more radio messages in answer to the radio calls being made to it. The simplest explanation is that everybody on board is dead.

My point is the straight and level flight starts after Penang so how did they get to Penang in the first place? Also, if everyone is dead and the fire burns out of control, the aircraft would crash, wouldn't it?

I don't know about the route. The autopilot would keep the plane from crashing, I would guess. It's like that in MSFS anyway (I have no experience piloting a real airliner).

There were indications of the pilot having unhappy feelings about his life in the weeks before.