Planet 9?

[martin-w 3,278]

https://www.independent.co.uk/space/planet-9-nine-solar-system-b2530985.html

"Scientists say they have found new evidence that there is a hidden planet in our solar system.

For years, some astronomers have been suggesting that unusual behaviour on the edge of our solar system is best explained by another, undiscovered planet. That helps explain the orbits of objects that lie at the very far reaches of our solar system, more than 250 times away from the Sun than we are.

Now Konstantin Bogytin, an astronomer who helped popularise the theory, says that he and his team have found yet more evidence that suggests that planet exists. The new work represents “the strongest statistical evidence yet that Planet 9 is really out there”, he said."

Edited April 20 by martin-w

[Christopher Low 5,414]

Journalists need to make sure that they get names right when they write these articles. The correct spelling of his surname is Batygin. As for Planet 9, I suspect that it really does exist, based on several lines of evidence. It would be the astronomical discovery of the century if it is identified.

[HiFlyer 9,409]

Yup, it's the planets where the aliens come from. Good that we have S.H.A.D.O to protect us!

 

[charliearon 3,061]

Planet 9??  Use to be Pluto....maybe this new one is Pluto's brother Goofy!

 

[dave2013 1,155]

Ancient astronaut and ancient global catastrophe theorists have been saying for decades that there is another planet in our solar system.

According to the theory, the planet is much larger than Earth, has a 3,600-year extreme elliptical orbit, and is called Nibiru.  Supposedly, it comes barreling into the solar system every 3,600 years and wreaks havoc, and if it happens to come close to the Earth, it causes a global catastrophe.

Only when the planet gets close enough does it become detectable by our instruments, and by then it's probably too late to make preparations for the likely cataclysm.

I don't believe this theory, but some do.

Dave

[dmwalker 613]

2 hours ago, dave2013 said:

Supposedly, it comes barreling into the solar system every 3,600 years and wreaks havoc, and if it happens to come close to the Earth, it causes a global catastrophe.

Definitely not Planet 9 (green orbit) , which doesn't come anywhere near even the outer planets:

[BIGSKY 317]

Astronomers say 80 percent of stars have a binary companion, I suspect ours is an Infrared Star, with Its own planetary system. Maybe causing havoc every 3600 or so years? Great flood recorded across all continents?

[dmwalker 613]

13 minutes ago, BIGSKY said:

Great flood recorded across all continents?

Not enough water on the planet to do that and no geological evidence that it ever happened in the past.

[dave2013 1,155]

3 hours ago, dmwalker said:

Not enough water on the planet to do that and no geological evidence that it ever happened in the past.

Well, I can categorically state that you are wrong on this.

There is a wealth of geological evidence of at least one major catastrophe that occurred about 12,000 years ago and perhaps another one a few thousand years later.  This event is known as the Younger-Dryas Impact Hypothesis.  Also, animal bones thousands of years old have been found high up in the mountains all smashed together, which could be caused by a massive flood.  There's also the Berezkova Mammoth found in Siberia which had been quick-frozen and had vegetation in its stomach which only grow in a warmer climate, suggesting something extraordinary occurred to freeze the animal so quickly and change the climate of the area or carry the animal far from its original habitat.  There are many more examples like this.

Moreover, hundreds of cultures around the world have stories about floods that occurred thousands of years ago and many of the stories are similar to the well-known biblical story of Noah and the ark.  This cannot be coincidence.

If the Earth were hit by a large asteroid or comet the destruction would be massive and global in nature, and if one or more large pieces hit the oceans, the resulting tidal waves could be a mile or more high and completely destroy coastal areas and far inland as well.  Moreover, if a large body like a planet were to pass close to Earth the gravitational forces could cause the Earth to shift on its axis whereby the oceans would rush over the continents completely obliterating civilization, not to mention the earthquakes and volcanic activity that could also occur and cause widespread destruction.

The evidence is abundant that a huge catastrophe which affected most of the planet occurred thousands of years ago.

Dave

Edited April 21 by dave2013

[dmwalker 613]

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

There is a wealth of geological evidence of at least one major catastrophe that occurred about 12,000 years ago and perhaps another one a few thousand years later.  This event is known as the Younger-Dryas Impact Hypothesis. 

This is the conclusion (Section 17) from one of the more recent articles on the subject. Perhaps there are articles which refute this one. Link to the article to see the "broad array of flaws":

"The YDIH evolved directly from pseudoscience. As such, the initial publication in scientific literature was seriously plagued by poorly documented interpretations and baseless assertions. As outlined in this paper and in other publications, a broad array of serious flaws persists in the YDIH:"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012825223001915?via%3Dihub

 

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

Moreover, hundreds of cultures around the world have stories about floods that occurred thousands of years ago and many of the stories are similar to the well-known biblical story of Noah and the ark. 

I would definitely discount stories based on rainfall of biblical proportions.

 

1 hour ago, dave2013 said:

There's also the Berezkova Mammoth found in Siberia which had been quick-frozen and had vegetation in its stomach which only grow in a warmer climate,

Do you have a specific reference? The one I have found just says it fell off a cliff 44,000 years ago and was preserved in the permafrost:

"Its death must have occurred very quickly after its fall, for we found half-chewed food still in its mouth, between the back teeth and on its tongue, which was in good preservation. The food consisted of leaves and grasses, some of the later carrying seeds. We could tell from these that the mammoth must have come to its miserable end in the autumn."

https://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mammoths.html

Edited April 21 by dmwalker

[Christopher Low 5,414]

Planet 9 has no relevance to Nibiru, or massive floods on Earth. This hypothetical object is so far out that it does not even disturb the orbit of Neptune....and that's the point. Those TNOs well beyond the outer edge of the Kuiper Belt are too far out to be controlled by Neptune's gravity, which is why certain similarities in their orbital characteristics indicate the presence of another massive object much further out.

Edited April 21 by Christopher Low

[Fielder 3,802]

Dear Nibiru overlords.

The grand plan may become at least partially compromised. A thread now exists on the Avsim website well in advance of N-day.

I await your instructions.

Your obedient servant, Fielder

[W2DR 1,864]

19 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Yup, it's the planets where the aliens come from. Good that we have S.H.A.D.O to protect us!

And don't forget the Guardians of the Space Force 🙂 .

 

[dmwalker 613]

13 hours ago, dave2013 said:

The evidence is abundant that a huge catastrophe which affected most of the planet occurred thousands of years ago.

Do you mean there is evidence other than Younger-Dryas? The Science Direct articles says that  "There is no obvious evidence of environmental cataclysm at that time in the vast published geomorphic or paleobotanical records. There is no support for the basic premise of the YDIH that human populations were diminished, and individual species of late Pleistocene megafauna became extinct or were diminished due to catastrophe."

13 hours ago, dave2013 said:

If the Earth were hit by a large asteroid or comet the destruction would be massive and global in nature, and if one or more large pieces hit the oceans, the resulting tidal waves could be a mile or more high and completely destroy coastal areas and far inland as well.

How large would the asteroid have to be? Here is an excerpt from an article on asteroid impacts on the ocean. It covers asteroids up to 1Gt TNT equivalent. Figure 12 shows the results. Your example must be larger than that:

"The simulations also showed that on the order of 1% of the kinetic energy of the impact is converted into the tsunami wave. This is an order of magnitude less than previous semi-empirical estimates of ∼15% based on explosion test data and laboratory scale impacts."

"With only ∼1% of the asteroid kinetic energy being converted into tsunami waves and with the stronger decay with distance implies that moderate size asteroids (100–500 m in diameter) striking the deep ocean basins off the continental shelves are not a significant overall hazard except for i) impacts close to shore where travel time is not enough to sufficiently degrade the waves, ii) in the cases of impacts onto the continental shelf, or iii) very large impacts. In the case of moderate size asteroids excluding the ocean basins far from land, the impact areas of concern are a significantly smaller fraction of the Earth's surface than the entire ocean surface."

"In the case of a large impact the dominant hazard is likely to be from global climatic change which may dwarf casualties from tsunami around the coastline of the ocean basin where it strikes. The simulations show that most of the impacting asteroid's kinetic energy is consumed by the vaporization of water from the transient crater. Much of this water vapor is buoyantly lofted into the stratosphere, where it may linger for months to years. Together with chlorine from sea salt, OH radicals from water ionization catalytically destroy ozone. Water is also a strong absorber of infrared radiation, and the effects of a large injection high into the atmosphere are not yet well understood" 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576517314996

[Mike A 349]

Wait a minute … it wasn’t Plan 9? Oops 😱