August 14, 20241 yr I didn’t see a forum on FlightSim-Studios website so I’m not sure where else to post this. On the real Boeing 727-100’s the prototype and very few production models had the deflector door “clam shell” thrust reverses as depicted in this B727-200F. However, the 727-200’s had and internal blocker door and outer fixed cascade vanes on the upper/lower nacelles (left/right on engine #2). The only way to visually know if the engines were in reverse was to look in the tail pipe to see the internal “clam shells” were closed thus deflecting the air forward thru the cascade vanes. I do seem to recall that a very few 727-200s were retrofitted with the JT8D-217 engines (same as found on MD80) and had the clam shell defector doors in the #1 and #3 engines. If anyone has other info I’d be curious. Since this is a B727-200F and “as real as it gets” I wanted to inquire about the reverses. If anyone uses X-plane, the FlyJSim B722 has the correct reverse thrust configuration. Don’t get me wrong; this is an outstanding add on for MSFS. Love the INS! Also: does anyone know if it’s possible to assign an axis to the reverse thrust? I have a ThrottleTech throttle quadrant with reverse toggles and have them configured for P3D and X-Plane but cannot figure out out to assign an axis in MSFS2020 to use them. Thank you and… Cheers!
August 14, 20241 yr You can reach out developers via discord . My understanding they modeled later more modern version of 727 from late 80th. Now I can’t tell how to tell the difference, but I believe later 727 models where also retrofitted with PFD and FMC Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASELMy System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSDPut my hands on (pic/dual/given)7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22
August 14, 20241 yr I believe I read that the FSS 727s are configured with hush-kits--if so, there are no thrust reversers. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
August 14, 20241 yr I thought that clam shell engines were fitted for 'Advanced' and 'Super' versions only. Artur
August 14, 20241 yr FSS devs have said they plan to remove the external clam-shells in favor of the internal ones as it’s more faithful to the aircraft they modelled as well as engines which are the JT8D-9s. The team seems to have a lot planned for the aircraft in coming updates but there’s no published tracker of sorts so we’ll just have to wait and see.
August 15, 20241 yr Author 4 hours ago, Lucky38i said: FSS devs have said they plan to remove the external clam-shells in favor of the internal ones as it’s more faithful to the aircraft they modelled as well as engines which are the JT8D-9s. The team seems to have a lot planned for the aircraft in coming updates but there’s no published tracker of sorts so we’ll just have to wait and see. Thanks for the info Lucky38i! Good to hear. One of the liveries included is the airline I fly for in real life (think “Brown!”). Our B727-200s had the internal cascade reverse but I believe our -200s never received the new livery as depicted in FSS 727-200F before retirement. We also had a lot of B727-100QCs that were retrofitted with the RR Tay 651-54 engines. A lot of these were painted in the new livery and retired by fall 2007 IIRRC. Cheers!
August 15, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Lucky38i said: FSS devs have said they plan to remove the external clam-shells in favor of the internal ones as it’s more faithful to the aircraft they modelled as well as engines which are the JT8D-9s Strange way - first to make clams then to remove it, seems like poor research done. Good that they will change and reproduce 727 faithfully. Artur
August 15, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Beardyman said: Good that they will change and reproduce 727 faithfully. Faithfull reproduction would be a user selectable option on the EFB , "HUSH KIT : Fitted/Not Fitted'. When it comes to variations on a theme, the B727 had so many different arrangements depending on the Operator, year of operation with that Operator and geographic region that I believe they should simply retain the clamshell as a user selectable option through their EFB. It may not be correct in all cases, but otherwise it seems a bit US centric and time specific to just hush kit the whole model for its entire operational life as expressed by the many liveries it will wear in MSFS. For example, the U.S. Noise Control Act of 1972, mandated gradual introduction of quieter Stage 3 aircraft. The 727 (or any Stage 2 noise aircraft) didn't have to be retrofitted with hush kits until Dec 31 1999. Given the -200 was introduced into service in 1967 it is fair to say that many didn't get hush kits until their twilight years, if at all. I suppose in saying that, it would have mostly been freighters that came up against the 1999 mandate since they (especially the SF's) would have been cascaded down from top tier airlines to third tier and then often foreign freighter operations. On this basis a lot of early livered B727-200 passenger and freighter will need to have clamshell reversers to look realistic, so there is most certainly a case for both. I rather suspect that many users may have not seen a B727 without hush kits fitted, so the clamshell bucket is not understood too well but it is certainly not faithful to frame all -200's as being only fitted with hush-kits throughout their operational lives. Still, no matter how the requirement for both versions seems sensible, I don't think FSS are going to budge on this so it's all a bit of a moot point I suspect. Cheers Terry Edited August 15, 20241 yr by Lord Farringdon No. No, Mav, this is not a good idea. Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower! Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-10700 CPU @2.90Ghz, 32GB RAM, NVIDEA GeForce RTX 3060, 12GB VRAM, Samsung QN70A 4k 65inch TV with VRR 120Hz Free Sync (G-Sync Compatible). Boeing Thrustmaster TCA Yoke, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, Turtle Beach Velocity One Rudder Pedals.
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