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Paul Golding

Developer competition and too many choices?

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It seems that recently the rules have changed within in the addon development community. In the past, certain developers would create comprehensive sims like the PMDG 737 and 747, LDS 767 etc... It would seem a waste of time and money for someone to develop a competing airliner against these already established and well accepted programs.To my knowledge, there are now four new Airbus projects in the works that are all expected to be very thorough and complete. There are also numerous developers working on ground scenery textures, sky textures, weather environments and so forth. Maybe the flight sim community is growing much faster than before and there's enough of a market where more developers can succeed. I think competition is good overall, however I can see where folks may purchase a couple Airbus sims, only to find out later the fourth one is the best. Same thing for the weather engines and ground textures. While choice is good for the consumer, it can also make you very indecisive about what and when to buy. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.Curt

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Seems you've not been around for very long.Wasn't it last week that people complained that there were no addons available for FSX?The situation you describe has always been around. It's just supply and demand, if a lot of people ask for an Airbus a lot of groups will start making one.

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I>can see where folks may purchase a couple Airbus sims, only to>find out later the fourth one is the best. Same thing for the>weather engines and ground textures. While choice is>good for the consumer, it can also make you very indecisive>about what and when to buy. It will be interesting to see how>this all plays out.>>Curt Some like Coke some like Pepsi some like Sprite, just pick a drink! What you are complaining about is a GOOD thing. If we didnt have a choice in what we buy it would make things very boring and make the product very expensive because where else are you going to get it. I dont ever want to limit choice in the market place. I'll stop there so I dont get political.

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>.. and there's me waiting for a 727....>>;( Have you looked at the Super80 by Coolsky. I think its the next best thing to the 727. FPS friendly as well and very detailed.

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>Seems you've not been around for very long.>Wasn't it last week that people complained that there were no>addons available for FSX?>>The situation you describe has always been around. It's just>supply and demand, if a lot of people ask for an Airbus a lot>of groups will start making one.LOL! I had the exact same thought. You just can't win.VicQ6600 G0 CPU 2.4 o/c 3.65Evga 680i A1 with P31 BIOS 2G XP2-8500 DDR2 1066FSB Mushkin 996535 RAM 5-5-4-12-2T320G 7200 HD partitioned for XP/Vista/Programs 2 - 74G Raptors in RAID0 500G 7200 HD for backup SATA DVD burner Evga 8800GTS 640 PCIx 174.16 XG o/.c 702/1620/792Kandalf LCS case w/ built in liquid cooling 850W Thermaltake power supplyVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-supporter-sigbanner.jpg

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Yup! Have it for six months and love it. Once you can get past the OOM issue - and I think I have after the latest rebuild - it has a superb VC, the best 2D I've seen, with very well thought-out interfaces. The main configuring menu sets up the aircraft in any stage you would like, and the manuals are excellent. It is also a challenge to your flying abilities, too, as the technology of the 70/80's keeps you working at good and interesting facets of flying, and not doing everything for you. The Eaglesoft Citation II is very similar, and makes for ideal "chartered" flights - like the exciting Denver to Aspen/Pitkin in winter... .. but I would still like the DreamFleet 727 for FSX..:-beerchug

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"While choice is good for the consumer, it can also make you very indecisive about what and when to buy"... so you're saying we shouldn't have more than three or four auto manufacturers? ;-) (just tongue in cheek, Curt, no offense meant)

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The USSR didn't need more than that...And I think North Korea has none at all :)

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.... like I said, I wont go political. Cough Cough dont forget Cuba.

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>To my knowledge, there are now four new Airbus projects in the>works that are all expected to be very thorough and complete. >There are also numerous developers working on ground scenery>textures, sky textures, weather environments and so forth. What four Airbus developers are you referring to?

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The four Airbus projects I'm referring to are 1) Airsimmer, 2) AirlinerXP, 3)PMDG, 4)Peter Wilding.Curt

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No offense taken. With auto manufacturers you can test drive numerous makes of the same class on the same day and make an informed buying decision. In the flight sim world the addons are released months apart. So you either buy what's available or wait for the next one. If someone can afford to purchase them all that's fine, but for the budget minded we need to shop wisely.Here's what I see coming:Airsimmer, great Airbus. Then maybe AirlinerXP, yes that one is really sharp. Then PMDG, holy cow we have a winner! If someone buys them all, they have $200 plus invested in Airbus sims, but will likely only fly one. This is where competition is good, but bad for the cash challenged folks like myself.Curt

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".. but I would still like the DreamFleet 727 for FSX.."HERE! HERE! And How!RTH

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>The four Airbus projects I'm referring to are 1) Airsimmer,>2) AirlinerXP, 3)PMDG, 4)Peter Wilding.>>Curt>>1. AirSimmer - blurry text2. AirlinerXP - looks great3. PMDG - I don't think their doing an Airbus4. Just Flight? - nope

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All right Curt,Please find me some good US Airport scenery then.. with custom runway/taxiway textures naturally.:)Manny

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>The USSR didn't need more than that...>And I think North Korea has none at all :)East Germany had the Trabi!!! There's choice for you!RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>All right Curt,>>Please find me some good US Airport scenery then.. with custom>runway/taxiway textures naturally.>>:)>>MannyHhehe. You ALWAYS bring that up Manny.You know, I thought I saw some custom ground in the new KIND payware. Not sure though.And I can also tell you, I did this in my MNMG scenery that I'm working on. However, I didn't like it. I took the custom ground out. I just didn't like the look of it. Not to mention that it involves an .mdl hack, which brings your scenery outside the SDK bounds, which means 1) it may cause instability, and 2) it won't work in FS11.The way the sim renders, I just don't think it's there yet. Kind of like photoscenery. It's just not versatile enough for all times-of-day and all seasons. It will be though, eventually.I have been petitioning Microsoft to add this feature into FS11's mdl format though. It has the potential to be awesome.Ok, back to your regularly-scheduled topic. :)RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Car manufacturers also don't all release their new models on the same day...Ford released its new Focus last month, Honda its new Civic a few months earlier, etc. etc.

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>1. AirSimmer - blurry text>2. AirlinerXP - looks great>3. PMDG - I don't think their doing an Airbus>4. Just Flight? - nope>Justflight will likely become a reseller for one or more of the others.

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Hi Rhett.KIND is default runway texture. The taxiway too.Well, it would be good if a choice is given at time of install. "Do you want custom runway texture (with limitations) or do you want default runway texture".Fly Tampa gave that option for TNCM. I think UK2000 did great with their Gatwick. If it is not custom runway texture, they sure look like it.I mean.. Aerosoft's Aspen Colorado airport is a nice scenery...but that runway sticks out like a sore thumb. Aircrafts take off and land only from one side so there is tire marks only on one side. But every time I look at that runway... It just keeps reminding you that it doesn't belong there. I have requested they give an update and Mathias posted that he is planning to, But it has been a while...so I am not holding my breath.Aerosoft's Dillingham also uses default runway texture..but in Dillinghams case, it came out pretty good and much better than I initially thought. If you look at the runway using Google and Dillingham addon, hardly any difference.I wish it was part of AFCAD file. So we can use Photoshop and build runway and taxiway textures of our own.Got any links for your MNMG scenery? :)Manny

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>>I wish it was part of AFCAD file. So we can use Photoshop and>build runway and taxiway textures of our own.>>Got any links for your MNMG scenery? :)>>MannyNo links yet, but it'll be here at AVSIM when it's done, and it is close. If I do say so myself, my MNMG sure looks like the real-world pics I have--not bad for freeware. But for your part, I can tell you that it will not have custom ground polys until they are up-to-standards.I too wish there was a simpler way to do custom ground polys. It's one of the things I'd like to see in FS11's mdl format, or either all xml runways/taxiways to specify a texture. That would be nice too and accomplish the same thing, without having to use Photoshop or GIMP, etc.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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