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Less Sensitive Surge Protector

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26 minutes ago, lehbird said:

 

Edited by JonathanC
Redundant.

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57 minutes ago, lehbird said:

Sorry Bob, I was responding to Bob Scott who said it is "Not a surge Protector". 

What he said is " It is a UPS".  You can buy a surge protector for about $25 in Home Depot, and that is all it does is prodtect from power surges.  UPS, also contains a surge protector as an add on, but that is not it's main purpose, which is to provide power in case of a power failure. 

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5 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

What he said is " It is a UPS".  You can buy a surge protector for about $25 in Home Depot, and that is all it does is prodtect from power surges.  UPS, also contains a surge protector as an add on, but that is not it's main purpose, which is to provide power in case of a power failure. 

Actually, no--a UPS is a line power protection device that very rapidly switches its protected load to a backup power source when it sees the voltage or frequency of the AC line power going outside set limits.  A "power surge" is a high voltage excursion that deviates excessively from the nominal line voltage--a UPS will switch away from line power to it's standby source (battery+inverter) for high voltage power surges and also for low voltage excursions and line frequency excursions that aren't power surges per se.  Some UPS units also have "buck" circuits that can correct a moderately high or low out-of-limit input voltage back to within limits.

A straight surge protector (usually seen in a power strip) uses a voltage-sensitive arresting device like a varistor that shunts the input to ground (in other words short-circuits) to force-trip a fuse or circuit breaker when the input voltage goes out of limits.  When a simple surge protector trips, it interrupts power to the protected device(s).  The overvoltage required to trip a semiconductor surge arrestor is generally much higher than that required to trip a UPS into standby power.  It is also fairly common for the arresting device to destructively sacrifice itself when it trips due to a large voltage spike.  Many UPSes include a few outlets protected only by a surge arrestor, but the battery-backed outlets on the UPS are also (and better) protected from voltage surges by nearly instantaneously switching away from the line input to battery power when even a fairly mild voltage spike is sensed.  So surge protection is indeed one of the primary functions of a UPS.

An overcurrent fault, on the other hand, is a function of the UPS' own self-protection circuitry, designed to prevent fire and/or damage to itself when the downstream load exceeds the design capacity of the device.  When a UPS trips for overcurrent, it shuts down rather than providing continuous power to the client device(s).

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35 minutes ago, Bob Scott said:

Actually, no--a UPS is a line power protection device that very rapidly switches its protected load to a backup power source when it sees the voltage or frequency of the AC line power going outside set limits.  A "power surge" is a high voltage excursion that deviates excessively from the nominal line voltage--a UPS will switch away from line power to it's standby source (battery+inverter) for high voltage power surges and also for low voltage excursions and line frequency excursions that aren't power surges per se.  Some UPS units also have "buck" circuits that can correct a moderately high or low out-of-limit input voltage back to within limits.

A straight surge protector (usually seen in a power strip) uses a voltage-sensitive arresting device like a varistor that shunts the input to ground (in other words short-circuits) to force-trip a fuse or circuit breaker when the input voltage goes out of limits.  When a simple surge protector trips, it interrupts power to the protected device(s).  The overvoltage required to trip a semiconductor surge arrestor is generally much higher than that required to trip a UPS into standby power.  It is also fairly common for the arresting device to destructively sacrifice itself when it trips due to a large voltage spike.  Many UPSes include a few outlets protected only by a surge arrestor, but the battery-backed outlets on the UPS are also (and better) protected from voltage surges by nearly instantaneously switching away from the line input to battery power when even a fairly mild voltage spike is sensed.  So surge protection is indeed one of the primary functions of a UPS.

An overcurrent fault, on the other hand, is a function of the UPS' own self-protection circuitry, designed to prevent fire and/or damage to itself when the downstream load exceeds the design capacity of the device.  When a UPS trips for overcurrent, it shuts down rather than providing continuous power to the client device(s).

Bob- You obviously know a lot more about this than me. Are you saying even though this implies it is a surge protector, I am not getting surge protection?

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Surge protector....is basically a circuit breaker inside of a power strip to protect your house/apartment/business electrical
outlet lines from drawing too much current due to an electrical component shorting out in your computer or electrical
device that's plugged in.  Think of a power/current surge as a paperclip shaped into a horseshoe and you stick it into
the receptacle.   ZAP!  One heck of a surge!

I have my TV, Xfinity X1 box, and TV sound bar plugged into a "Voltage Spike" protector.  Voltage spikes occur when
 the power companies tend to throw their big switches during the day and early evening hours re-routing where the
electricity comes from.  The spikes can be up to 20,000 volts and can damage any electronic device you have 
plugged in.

Just my 2 cents worth!

Good example of a power/current surge:

 

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13 hours ago, lehbird said:

Bob- You obviously know a lot more about this than me. Are you saying even though this implies it is a surge protector, I am not getting surge protection?

No--all of the outlets on your UPS are protected from "surges" (voltage spikes).  The battery backed outlets are better protected than the "surge protection only" outlets.

If your UPS is tripping off, it's most likely because it's rated load capacity is too small for your PC when heavily loaded (e.g. running MSFS 2024).

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
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Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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