January 19Jan 19 20 minutes ago, Litjan said: I only want to know one thing....when are you going back to War Thunder? 😂 Hmmm, been considering it for my nephew 🙂 He wants to try a combat flight simulator, but nothing sophisticated - he's 11 yo I played played it for a good while and it was really adictive even if the flight dynamics left something to be desired OFC... Edited January 19Jan 19 by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
January 19Jan 19 Commercial Member I'm going to be a pagan, I like MSFS. The teams in that camp work very hard and they should be commended. So should AeroFly and Infinite Flight (They really don't get the flowers they deserve) (ofc this would be more interesting if the investment budgets and tech were on equal footing, but ho-hum) It's nice to see alternate ideas for flightsim. And a substantial evolution from the FS2000 days, I started from. Community Management for Laminar Research
January 19Jan 19 I like all simulators, but I hardly invest any money in MFS because without offline mode it's a simulator with an expiration date. The day Microsoft decides to shut down the sim, as it did with FSX and Flight, whether it's in 2024/2028 or 2032, you'll be able to see the torches from the moon. At least with Falcon BMS, DCS, and X-Plane, I know that what I buy is mine. Edited January 19Jan 19 by Aglos77
January 19Jan 19 19 minutes ago, DeltaWho said: I'm going to be a pagan, I like MSFS. The teams in that camp work very hard and they should be commended. So should AeroFly and Infinite Flight (They really don't get the flowers they deserve) Don't forget FlightGear! 7950X3D + 7900 XT + 64 GB + Linux | 4800H + RTX2060 + 32 GB + Linux My add-ons from my FS9/FSX days
January 19Jan 19 58 minutes ago, Litjan said: I only want to know one thing....when are you going back to War Thunder? 😂 War thunder is GREAT when you’re away from home on a trip. I guess one could argue that traveling with a controller allows sim use, but I’ve never gotten to the point where I enjoy using them for “serious” simulation (except for front-seating the AH-64 Apache in DCS 😎, but that’s not flying, anyway…). IL2 is also playable with mouse/keyboard or controller, and is a great experience in energy management and aircraft handling.
January 19Jan 19 54 minutes ago, jcomm said: Hmmm, been considering it for my nephew 🙂 He wants to try a combat flight simulator, but nothing sophisticated - he's 11 yo I played played it for a good while and it was really adictive even if the flight dynamics left something to be desired OFC... The new Flaming Cliffs F-5e is arguably an excellent choice. Very fast, Very easy, very cheap, with the added benefit that it flies quite well. sure - WT is totally free to Play, and can be a good experience, but… FWIW, my kid started flying XP when he was 11. He was into airliners, not combat, and he was highly self-motivated. I.e., they have the intellect to handle all the switchology, so don’t assume he needs training wheels 😎 Edited January 19Jan 19 by UrgentSiesta
January 19Jan 19 58 minutes ago, Aglos77 said: I like all simulators, but I hardly invest any money in MFS because without offline mode it's a simulator with an expiration date. The day Microsoft decides to shut down the sim, as it did with FSX and Flight, whether it's in 2024/2028 or 2032, you'll be able to see the torches from the moon. At least with Falcon BMS, DCS, and X-Plane, I know that what I buy is mine. DCS and XP still require activation and periodic re-activation. so if they ever decide to close up shop, it’s still Game Over. the good news is that, unlike MS, ED and LR don’t have any businesses that don’t revolve around their sims, so it’d have to be a catastrophic event(s) to make them go dark. Edited January 19Jan 19 by UrgentSiesta
January 19Jan 19 On 1/17/2026 at 11:22 PM, alanw2005 said: If you happen to own both MSFS 2024 SU4 and X-Plane 12.4, then you are living in totally blessed times. Well, I’ve got DCS World and Prepar3D, too, so I must have ascended to nirvana! 😁 all I have to do to remind myself why I keep using XP is as simple as flying the landing pattern with real weather enabled. I’m still waiting for something to get me closer than that…
January 19Jan 19 34 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said: DCS y XP aún requieren activación y reactivación periódica, por lo que si alguna vez deciden cerrar, será el juego terminado. La buena noticia es que, a diferencia de MS, ED y LR no tienen negocios que no giren en torno a sus Sims, por lo que tendría que ser un evento catastrófico para que desaparecieran. Nothing that a small patch can't fix. I've been a Stadia user and I've already learned that paying for services in this world is a mistake.
January 19Jan 19 Author 1 hour ago, Aglos77 said: I like all simulators, but I hardly invest any money in MFS because without offline mode it's a simulator with an expiration date. The day Microsoft decides to shut down the sim, as it did with FSX and Flight, whether it's in 2024/2028 or 2032, you'll be able to see the torches from the moon. At least with Falcon BMS, DCS, and X-Plane, I know that what I buy is mine. My concern with MSFS 2024 is that they become SAAS and charge an annual fee like iRacing in the car sim world. Microsoft loves the annual pay model. It is great for cash flow. Flight Sim Software/Hardware: MSFS 2020 Premium Deluxe | MSFS 2024 Aviator | X-Plane Mobile 12 | X-Plane 12 | Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus Edition | Thrustmaster TCA Yoke Pack Boeing Edition | Honeycomb Alpha Flight Controls | Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant | Turtle Beach Velocity One Rudder | Xbox wireless controller | Stream Deck + | Flight Radar 24 Gold | Navigraph | Simbrief | WINCTRL PAP 3 MAG, 3N PDC, 3M PDC & PFP 7 | Wingflex A320 EFIS, RMP & FCU Cube | 3rd Party Hanger: Fenix: A319, 320, 321 | Flight Factor: 777-200ER with engine variants | Flight FX: HondaJet HA420 | FlyJSim: Dash 8 Q400 | Hot Start: Challenger 650 | iFly: 737 Max | iniBuilds: A350 | PMDG: 737-800, 777-200ER, 777-300ER, DC-6 | Toliss: A321 with engine variants | Zibo: 737-800 Computer Equipment: Intel i7-13000K | Asus Tuf Z790 | 64 GB Corsair Ram | 2 TB NVMe OS Drive | 4 TB NVMe Game Drive | 3 X 4TB SATA Data Drives | Windows 11 | Asus Dual RTX 4070 CAE Full Motion Flight Simulator Experience: Boeing 737, Boeing 767, Boeing 787 Real Aircraft Flying Experience: Schempp-Hirth Janus, Cessna 172 and Cessna 185 https://www.youtube.com/@CYVRAviation
January 19Jan 19 34 minutes ago, Aglos77 said: Nothing that a small patch can't fix. I've been a Stadia user and I've already learned that paying for services in this world is a mistake. I’m not debating the services aspect (and, arguably, everything’s a service - it’s just a matter of the frequency of billing). and, Who’s going to release the patch…? the only reason we still have Falcon is because the source code was leaked. what if LM decides they don’t want the trouble of supporting a few thousand Prepar3D consumer simmers any longer? Once again, we’re SOL if the licensing servers aren’t available. this is private IP we’re talking about, across the board. If there’s enough value in writing a no-license patch, there’s enough value to charge for the product.
January 19Jan 19 Commercial Member 2 hours ago, Bjoern said: Don't forget FlightGear! Maya (our in house cloud-spotter) loves flightgear Community Management for Laminar Research
January 19Jan 19 36 minutes ago, alanw2005 said: My concern with MSFS 2024 is that they become SAAS and charge an annual fee like iRacing in the car sim world. Microsoft loves the annual pay model. It is great for cash flow. They arguably charge a quadrennial fee now 😉 I mean, who among us aren’t going to eventually upgrade to the latest version of any given sim? I have FSX, XP 11, and P3D 4.0. While I do miss a few addons still trapped back there, I just don’t have enough interest, or time, to give them any attention vs the new sims. we’ve come to expect (demand) a constant flow of new/improved features, even within the same release version. That all takes paychecks to make happen, so I don’t see how it’s possible to keep games available and running without some type of ongoing fee. E.g., how long will MS keep 2020 running in light of all those fixed monthly costs?
January 19Jan 19 11 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said: No estoy debatiendo el aspecto de los servicios (y, podría decirse que todo es un servicio: es solo una cuestión de frecuencia de facturación). y, ¿Quién va a lanzar el parche…? La única razón por la que todavía tenemos Falcon es porque se filtró el código fuente. ¿Qué pasa si LM decide que ya no quiere tomarse la molestia de dar soporte a unos cuantos miles de simuladores de consumo de Prepar3D? Una vez más, estamos en problemas si los servidores de licencias no están disponibles. Hablamos de IP privada, en general. Si escribir un parche sin licencia tiene suficiente valor, también lo tiene para cobrar por el producto. There will surely be hundreds of volunteers to remove those kinds of patches whenever and wherever necessary 🙂 I'm now fully focused on DCS, deciding which module to learn. I found a great deal on an A10 throttle stick, which is my excuse to come back, haha.
January 19Jan 19 11 minutes ago, Aglos77 said: There will surely be hundreds of volunteers to remove those kinds of patches whenever and wherever necessary 🙂 I'm now fully focused on DCS, deciding which module to learn. I found a great deal on an A10 throttle stick, which is my excuse to come back, haha. I’m not qualified to know if those protections could be cracked - I guess it would come down to how serious the various companies are about anti-piracy… In re DCS - welcome back! The A-10 is a fine bird 😎, and the systems are amazingly sophisticated - I can hardly imagine what they’re like on the latest versions. So, yeah, a good HOTAS is key to getting the most out of it. 😁 I came to DCS shortly after the launch of the Hornet and IIRC, just a bit before Tomcat, so that’s where I’ve spent the vast majority of my time - there’s just something irresistible about aircraft carriers 😁
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