Yes, it was BS the ip was tracked (yes VAPilot, don't attempt that #### again).I also found it odd you can find his address, hometown, and name (stuff acutally publicly avaibale) but you cannot find his email to email him and tell him to pull down the aircraft. I believe it was mentioned before that had Rick simply gone and emailed him asking him nicley to pull it down, he would have. However, he insisted on going into our forums and resorsted to personal attacks and threats.THAT is why he was banned from our forums. If you do not believe me, sign up and go and take a looksy. We are not randomly banning people for addressing your opinions and views, we respect your opnions and views no matter what a few immature kids say.

>Yes, it was BS the ip was tracked (yes VAPilot, don't attempt>that #### again).>>I also found it odd you can find his address, hometown, and>name (stuff acutally publicly avaibale) but you cannot find>his email to email him and tell him to pull down the aircraft.>I believe it was mentioned before that had Rick simply gone>and emailed him asking him nicley to pull it down, he would>have. However, he insisted on going into our forums and>resorsted to personal attacks and threats.>>THAT is why he was banned from our forums. If you do not>believe me, sign up and go and take a looksy. We are not>randomly banning people for addressing your opinions and>views, we respect your opnions and views no matter what a few>immature kids say.Sorry, I've read the locked thread. All of the personal attacks originated with Michael. I've scanned through those forums and read enough of his posts to get an understanding of his personality at this point. He's not a good person, and that's as "personal" as I'll get.

Here's the original post:"Dear Michael Callahan,Can I make the request that you please remove your 'SimGameIt Foxbat' from your downloads section please. We all know that it isn't genuinely yours and that you are breaking copyright laws by distributing it as 'yours'. The only thing in that installer that is yours is some of the texture files.It's not cool to distribute other peoples' hard work and say that it's yours. It's down to people like you that decent freeware is becoming less and less available.So I make this polite request. How I see you and your organisation in the future will determine what decision you make.PS: Don't make me distribute your home address, telephone number and personal email. Just make the right choice, or else I will make sure you know how it feels to have something that is requested not to be distributed, distributed. Kind Regards,Ryan Jackson-------------Oh and also guys: I'm expecting the ban. Although it wouldn't be a very wise decision to do that. "Interestingly enough, there's a post by Michael with personal information regarding someone he claims to have purchased a camper from. The difference: Michael's information is public... the guy he targeted... his information isn't.Michael breaks the rules and then cries foul when someone points it out.

>Yes, it was BS the ip was tracked (yes VAPilot, don't attempt that #### again).Trying to make out you no nothing about it hey. I surpose juddf18pilot post was made up to ? If by telling me you tracked the ip and don't try that #### again, you are sugesting that I put up that post, you are barking up the wrong tree. I can make a web page using dreamweaver and upload it using FTP, that is the limit to my web skills. In plain english I would not know how to break into your forum. Please track the IP as it is not mine. I also have morals unlike some people, and would not do such a thing. I tell you what I did do though and that was email the payware companies of the aircraft that were shown in juddf18pilots post, to let them know that there payware aircraft might be being given away for free. I saw a possible crime, what does a law abiding citizen do when a crime is commit, report it. It is against copyright you know :-)I'll pass on joining your forum, wrenchca went to see if he could help sort this out and he got told to #### Off, his ideas were good and had merit by all accounts, mine would just be take Rick aircraft of your site, I wonder what sort responce that would bring :-) With regards to Ed last post: From the post I have read, the reason given for not removing it in the first place was that the original post was threating and offensive, I can see nothing of that kind in there. So why was it not moved when kindly asked. milla da killa care to comment ?

>The flight sim community doesn't need groups like this. We>can only hope that their site fades into obscurity and goes>away.:-abduct Well, it is a sad example set, that's for certain. I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone who makes such outlandish insinuations about his own "purity" can be so potty-mouthed in public.I must admit though that at my current age being referred to as a "kid" is rather flattering! I'll be sixty next January... ;)

you asked them polightly??!!??!!you started threathening people with lawyers as soon as you came in.i would also ban you if i was the admin.nothing personal.and when something is freeware,it means you can use and modify it as much as you like.further more,your behaviour also states that you are not a true flight-sim enthusiast.a true flight simmer lets as many people as he can enjoy his work.you were properly credited in the read me file.noone said that the model wasn't yours,they used it and that is the definition of freeware.you nead to learn a lot more things if you want to be accepted at a friendly comunity like simgameit.i know i will be banned from this forum:no1 becaouse i am a member of simgameit,and no2 becaouse i said the trouth.so bye everyone,check out simgameit web-site,if you know how to behave,you will enjoy it.

>you asked them polightly??!!??!!you started threathening>people with lawyers as soon as you came in.i would also ban>you if i was the admin.nothing personal.and when something is>freeware,it means you can use and modify it as much as you>like.further more,your behaviour also states that you are not>a true flight-sim enthusiast.a true flight simmer lets as many>people as he can enjoy his work.you were properly credited in>the read me file.noone said that the model wasn't yours,they>used it and that is the definition of freeware.you nead to>learn a lot more things if you want to be accepted at a>friendly comunity like simgameit.i know i will be banned from>this forum:no1 becaouse i am a member of simgameit,and no2>becaouse i said the trouth.so bye everyone,check out simgameit>web-site,if you know how to behave,you will enjoy it.SimGameIt will be closed soon. The domain will be unregistered and the servers will be shut down.Unless the illegal activity on that web site discontinues.As for the definition of freeware... I suggest you re-read my posts in this thread. I posted the legal definition, as in what's recognized in a court of law. It isn't anything even remotely the way you're thinking it is.If you think coming here and posting is actually helping Michael... well, once again you really don't understand how the law works. Theft is a crime. He has be caught with payware aircraft being handed out on his web site. He has been caught taking other's property and claiming it as SimGameIt's. He's a crook.

I am not defending anybody but I think that you should be happy that people are coming to that website and downloading your plane, no property was damaged since the plane was freeware. The readme gave credit to you in fact, if I was the designer I would encourage people to upload the plane I made on their website as long as they will include the readme which gives all the credit to me. You have no reason to be mad in fact happy. I have personally seen that discussion on the forum and everybody said that it was freeware, the original readme was included.

> I am not defending anybody but I think that you should be>happy that people are coming to that website and downloading>your plane, no property was damaged since the plane was>freeware. The readme gave credit to you in fact, if I was the>designer I would encourage people to upload the plane I made>on their website as long as they will include the readme which>gives all the credit to me. You have no reason to be mad in>fact happy. I have personally seen that discussion on the>forum and everybody said that it was freeware, the original>readme was included.Setting aside the question of ethics entirely for a moment, consider instead the effects to a freeware author's "name value and reputation" for a moment.The most "successful" freeware (and payware for that matter) authors have earned a certain "value" to their name over the years. Ardent flightsimmers will recognize the author's name and automatically assume that whatever project their name is attached to will be of the quality and level of detail they've come to expect.Along comes someone else who has "modified" the original author's creation without permission, and (perhaps) has now ruined the carefully crafted package originally released. Downloaders of the "revised" package may not like the performance, but......will focus their ire and displeasure NOT on the "revisionist editor," but instead on the original author!This is not some far-fetched example. I've had this exact thing happen to me more than once over the years. Folks will d/l something from -say- FSPLANET.COM that has been "modified by Ferdie" but will write hateful emails to ME, castigating me for the poor (and unauthorised) modifications "Ferdie" (or whomever else) had done!Several years ago the torrent of "hate mail" grew so much that I was forced to change my email address...Furthermore, please note my original response in this thread and you'll note that I have now changed my feelings about this specific instance from one of "see no real harm" to one of "perceive great harm."Why have I changed positions so radically, one might ask? Precisely because of the unbridled arrogance, ignorance, hatred and contempt expressed by the principles of simgameit.com and their minions....

Well all you can do is rant about how bad Simgameit is because on the legal side of things nothing has been stolen or not uploaded for money, it was simply uploaded on a site to make it easier for others, easier to download. I made my first video to put on the internet recently and I try to get it on every website that shows videos as possible, I put a lot of work on the video just like you and your A-22 Foxbat and I would LOVE people to get the same video and upload it somewhere else just as long as the people give credits to me like Simgameit did, they can modify it and I wouldn't care as long as they give the original creators credits to ME.

What I fail to comprehend is how someone can take someone else's work and modify it, put it in an installer and claim copyright to it? If you download the Foxbat from simgameit and run the installer, right across the bottom it says "Copyright 2008 Simgamit All Rights Reserved".Pardon me, but if you take someone else's work and claim copyright to it, that is theft plain and simple. You can come on here and blow all the sunshine you want but it will still not make it right. You cannot claim copyright to something that does not belong to you.:~P

>you asked them polightly??!!??!!you started threathening>people with lawyers as soon as you came in.i would also ban>you if i was the admin.nothing personal.and when something is>freeware,it means you can use and modify it as much as you>like.further more,your behaviour also states that you are not>a true flight-sim enthusiast.a true flight simmer lets as many>people as he can enjoy his work.you were properly credited in>the read me file.noone said that the model wasn't yours,they>used it and that is the definition of freeware.you nead to>learn a lot more things if you want to be accepted at a>friendly comunity like simgameit.i know i will be banned from>this forum:no1 becaouse i am a member of simgameit,and no2>becaouse i said the trouth.so bye everyone,check out simgameit>web-site,if you know how to behave,you will enjoy it.yes that is true the people at avsim who has posted in this forum CAN NOT ACCEPT BEING WRONG!!!!!and i am also a member of simgameitdid you ever think that the installer is protected by copyright or the repaints or the modifications and NOT the plane??

>>you asked them polightly??!!??!!you started threathening>>people with lawyers as soon as you came in.i would also ban>>you if i was the admin.nothing personal.and when something>is>>freeware,it means you can use and modify it as much as you>>like.further more,your behaviour also states that you are>not>>a true flight-sim enthusiast.a true flight simmer lets as>many>>people as he can enjoy his work.you were properly credited>in>>the read me file.noone said that the model wasn't yours,they>>used it and that is the definition of freeware.you nead to>>learn a lot more things if you want to be accepted at a>>friendly comunity like simgameit.i know i will be banned>from>>this forum:no1 becaouse i am a member of simgameit,and no2>>becaouse i said the trouth.so bye everyone,check out>simgameit>>web-site,if you know how to behave,you will enjoy it.>>yes that is true the people at avsim who has posted in this>forum CAN NOT ACCEPT BEING WRONG!!!!!>and i am also a member of simgameit>did you ever think that the installer is protected by>copyright or the repaints or the modifications and NOT the>plane??>>The repaints, certainly. The installer, no. If you don't understand why... it's ok. ;) The plane is protected, most certainly. But SimGameIt has violated that protection, intentionally.Simply put: Which is more important to you, retention of the SimGameIt web site... or losing said web site because you refuse to abide by a copyright on an aircraft which does not belong to SimGameIt?Remove the aircraft, that's all it takes... and it all goes away. While people are jumping in here in a vain attempt to defend theft... lawyers are gathering information and setting up paperwork with the express intent of eliminating SimGameIt from the internet. So... ask yourself... is it really worth it? Is it?

Have these misguided souls never stopped to consider that......there are more than a few simmers who are -GASP!- attorneys in real life.

> I am not defending anybody but I think that you should be>happy that people are coming to that website and downloading>your plane, no property was damaged since the plane was>freeware. The readme gave credit to you in fact, if I was the>designer I would encourage people to upload the plane I made>on their website as long as they will include the readme which>gives all the credit to me. You have no reason to be mad in>fact happy. I have personally seen that discussion on the>forum and everybody said that it was freeware, the original>readme was included.*SIGH*Why is the concept of "copyrighted freeware" so difficult to understand for all these GameSimIt defenders ????One can think of lots of arguments why a freeware designer would allow, refuse or doesn't care that his creation is made available on another website, CD or whatever media, then he/she originally did himself.But all these arguments are completely irrelevant; if this original designer explicitely says NO, it's his right to do so. For whatever reason. Even if not repackaged and/or with original credits included.It's as simple as that. Period.And anyone claiming/acting otherwise (i.e. denying a designer the right to say NO) is doing the fightsimming community a very bad favour and should be put out of "business" a.s.a.p. IMHO.Rob Barendregt