ACA857

Wasn't my intention to re-start the 2D / 3D debate, sorry. That ship has sailed, PMDG made a business decision that some disagree with. As many have suggested, it would be nice to have a 2D option for those who prefer it and not have to deal with 'workarounds' or 3rd party perpherals. The 2D was so well executed on the 737NGX, and in cruise, IMHO, the 3D is nice to have as an option when you want to look out the window from a more realistic viewpoint. I agree, having the full panel on a 2D view is not 'more realistic', but I am suggesting it is more practical for flying a desktop using 2D monitors as the medium. I have not read the 1000's of posts on this topic so I don't fully understand the reasoning why PMDG decided not to develop a 2D for the 777, but it's never a good idea to limit options with software unless the cost to develop those options would outweigh the revenue gained. Rob.

Devil's Advocate: So I am on a short final, AP OFF, yoke in one hand, throttles in the other...I notice an amber or red flag on the EICAS but I can't read the message or numbers clearly without switching views or moving my viewpoint. Short final is not a great time to be pressing buttons, using the hat to move my eyes, or zooming in on a piece of a 3D panel. I love PMDG products, but flying with a 3D panel on 2D monitors is not working for me as it greatly detracts from the realism. I'll stick to the 737NGX :-)

Hi Dave - I was wondering why you have your option setting for Destination set to false...what benefit does that have?

Dave: ForceDestinationWeatherZone = False....wouldn't this cause destination weather to be innaccurate even when flying with a flight plan in ASE? The destination wxr would be blended with surrounding wxr stn data and could update on approach (as ASE would not 'lock' to the flight plan destination) causing additional issues? Thanks. Rob Hall.

Ticket submitted. Referenced this thread in the ticket. Will keep yous posted. #FKN-725-51349

i guess I'll create a ticket :-)

ASE - do I need to create a ticket for this previously reported issue?

I do use DWC. I will try disabling graduated visibilty. Should the Fog Layer option be enabled or disabled?

Ok, so I am not alone and not technically crazy :-) In FSUIPC I have suppress turbulence and variance enabled, with wind change limit set to 2kts/second and barometer smoothing also enabled at the default values. If I set all WXR OFF in FSUIPC, I get the "S" turn problem with PMDG, FSL Conc, and LDS 767 aircraft. I tested with enhanced route and additional stations OFF. With low OVC 2-300 feet it was seconds before touchdown I would get a windshift or seconds after touchdown. It's driving me crazy...it's a short drive. Hopefully someone can point to some variable or setting that could be tested in ASE / FSUIPC / FSX. I see you had all wxr off in FSUIPC Kyp, but I also know FSUIPC does all kinds of stuff with ASE weather data...would not be surprised if the problems were a combo of ASE and FSUIPC. Happy landings. PS - Still have fond memories of you and Mr. Scanlan at VATSIM YYZ many moons ago. So much wine, so little time.

I've had the same issue intermittently over the years....seems to me it depends on the weather, in particular...days with low overcast seems to inhibit or interfere with the update of arrival airport weather. I was excited to see Kyp post above and changed settings in ASE to Kostas recommendations. Although Kyp seems to have resolved, not so here and with other posters I can see. I was flying around Boston, St. Johns (with ADV INTERPOLATION noted in METAR), and Halifax over the weekend with 2-300ft OVC and strong winds all day in the METAR...I can reproduce the same failure to update destination weather *everytime* as follows (as long as the lowest cloud layers is below 3000'): Winds and visibility will NOT update until flying below the lowest cloud layer to the surface. For example, KBOS had OVC at 300 and VIS less than 1/2 mile all day on Saturday. On approach, once I got below 300 feet (reported OVC) I was getting a dramatic wind and visibility shifts. I repeated this four or five times Sometimes as late as the flare or on touchdown, winds would update to the correct airport weather...exactly what Kyp is reporting. I did a few more tests, this time at around 1000' AGL I got ###### the weather is not updating (I can see the field clear as day just as in Kyp's pictures above where it should be a white-out), I pressed the AI Refresh button and blammo...weather changes to correct DEST AIRPORT weather. So at least I have a work around. Repeated this work around a few more times in Halifax and result is consistent. I also re-did Kyp's circuit test...took off with correct weather, flew 90 miles away from the airport and returned, again weather not updated on final approach until I hit the AI refresh. I do understand surface vs. winds aloft, I highly doubt the wind at 350 feet AGL is dramatically different from the wind at 250 feet AGL. I don't want to suggest where the problem lies, but there does seem to be a correlation between lowest cloud layer and destination airport weather updates not happening correctly. I don't recall ever seeing a problem with destination airport weather where the lowest cloud layer is above 3000' AGL. The problem is noticed in 'low' cloud or IMC only in my experience. Your 'average' normal weather day, ASE updates arrival weather without an issue. Is it possible something in the latest FSUIPC is not set right or causing a problem suppressing wind/vis updates OR depiction while in or near cloud? Is there a possible issue within ASE itself where is is not resetting weather below 3000' AGL when cloud or low OVC is reported? I use: FSX, latest ASE SP, latest FSUIPC, no addons - FSX and ASE (with plan filed everytime) only apps running. Flew tests with 737NGX and LDS767. I will continue to 'Refresh AI aircraft' before landing as a work around. Would be nice if there was a fix. Rob Hall - ACA856.

May be unrelated to what you are asking for...but for a few bucks you can get FSBuild...import real world flight plans and ASE weather (plans care of FlightAware.com) into FSBuild, then use the CO RTE line in the FMC to import the FSBuild created plan. Using the performance file for a 737-800 in FSB and ASE weather, you will be amazed how close to predicted time and fuel burn it can get. Rob.

He looks like Jimmy Carter...maybe he is Jimmy Carter? :-) Rob Hall.

How did this become the Opus support forum? :-) Rob Hall.

I've met a couple guys at FDS and they built a good share of the sim I work with on occasion. Their hardware is excellent! I'll have to sell my wife off in order to afford it :-)

you will notice the aileron movement and spoiler movement coincide...as previous posters have explained, roll control.