mikelockwood

Just to give you an update. I pulled out the entire P3D Addon Scenery folder which is full of all sorts of AVSIM freeware airport improvements/scenery etc. I was hoping that something in there could have been causing a problem but no, still no AI at KMIA with that folder completely removed. Here's something weird. I tried KMIA again (after replacing the folder). this time a tried using VOX and reduced the traffic by 10% each time and running the indexer between each reduction. At 10% 6 aircraft appeared, 5 American Airlines and 1 Air Transport. At 30% I got 4 aircraft, 3 American Airlines and 1 Avianca. I got nothing at any of the other increments. When I tried to replicate this I got nothing again. I'm not sure what this means, if it even means anything. I thought maybe some alphabetical reason, only airlines beginning with A??? I'm clutching at straws but I thought that I'd tell you in case it triggers something. I saw that you were over at AIG writing to Koala. I was hoping that he might have been able to experiment with VOX but he seemed to be having problems just getting it to work 🙁 Mike

Hi Jay, I ran the indexer again although do this religiously anyway. Set up another flight plan from KMIA but still zero traffic there. I agree with you absolutely that the traffic bgl files are scanned by VOX and the sim. It just doesn't make sense. One other thing that I thought of to try was to go into P3D/Addon scenery folder. I had some ADE KMIA files in there from when I reactivated the taxi links. I removed them from the folder and ran the indexer again with the hope that the airport should now be just stock again. Unfortunately it made no difference. I found the flight plans file in my Internal Workings folder. It also is 1.2 GB. I ran the indexer file whilst I had the folder open and you can see it update to the current date and time. I'm hoping that I'm gonna find something really obvious and stupid that is causing this. Then I can kick myself 😐 Thanks for your continued efforts. If you are like me, then this type of problem can bug you until you get to the bottom of it. Mike

I would love to see that much traffic at KMIA using VOX ☹️. For the purposes of testing, I created a flight plan KMIA/KJFK using P3D's own flight planner I also created a flight plan KMIA/KMUA using Sim Brief which is what I usually use. In both cases there was zero traffic. It doesn't really matter if I use a flight plan or not, I can normally just start at a gate and if VOX is working for that particular airport, then there will be traffic, flight plan or no flight plan. I really don't know what else to do now other than strip everything back to the bone and start from scratch which I am reluctant to do 😐 Regards, MIke

Hi Jay, I'm only using the stock airport KMIA. The only thing that I’ve changed is to reinstate the taxi links as the aircraft were running across grass. I also tried KSFO which is stock and has had no modifications done whatsoever but that has zero AI using VOX. On the other hand, KLAX is full of aircraft using VOX. I also tried a fresh install of VOX as well just in case it was corrupt in some way. It’s frustrating that VOX is so hit and miss. It worked so well on my old PC with Steam FSX. My new PC was purchased with a higher spec with the sole purpose of using it for P3D V4 only. I will certainly see if AIG can help me further but thanks for all you help. Mike

Hi Jay, Thanks once again for the reply. I’ve just had a glimpse at the link provided, it looks really promising. I will download later and experiment over the next couple of days. Regards, Mike

Hi Jay, I've had a few days to get used to AIC which is a great utility. I set up everything as you suggested in your post but, using VOX with the VOX slider at 100%, I get 0 planes on the ground and 0 planes in the air at KMIA. Then, turning off VOX off and moving the P3D traffic slider to 100% I get 50 planes on the ground and 17 in the air. I've had a look at the other tabs in AIC and I see that one is labelled BGL report. I noticed that some airlines had warnings/errors ticked with an explanation given below. I'm not sure if this is relevant to my problem and affects VOX as I'm inexperienced with this information. I hope that you will be able to explain what the next step will be. Regards, Mike

Hi Jay, Thanks once again for the reply. I’ve just had a glimpse at the link provided, it looks really promising. I will download later and experiment over the next couple of days. Regards, Mike

Hi Jay, First of all, many thanks for replying to my post even when you are so busy. As far as I'm aware there are no typo's in my additional lines to the XML which I have copied from Notepad. <MaxParkedAircraft Value="50" /> <MaxEnrouteAircraft Value="30" /> <MaxActiveTerminalAircraft Value="20" /> <TrafficGeneratedAtAllAirports Value="TRUE" /> The only other thing I did was space in 2 or 3 times to line the lines up in the list. Would this make a difference? I know that sometimes extra spaces, commas etc can affect things. I ran a search on my drive for any old WOAI files bgl's or otherwise, it's all clean. I also ran AIFP and scanned the entire drive for any old FS9 bgl's. That came up clean too. I've deleted UT Live now and as I already mentioned in my original post, I already have Alpha India's OCI installed and have downloaded every model/flight plan available. Soooo... After all of that I've run P3D V4 using VOX ATC only at between 50% - 100% and I'm still getting the same. Traffic at some airports and none at others. As I mentioned previously, there is absolutely zero at KMIA but if I switch across to KLAX for example, that is full of AI. Both are stock airports by the way. Sometimes a destination airport can be empty too. So I'm at a loss...... Any further assistance would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks once and again and best wishes, Mike

Hi Jab, I’ve only just discovered this post in my search for answers to the lack of VOX AI traffic so apologies for extending this even further. i was very interested in your discovery of the 4 lines that you tested in the VASettings XML file. They weren’t present in mine so I added them myself. Unfortunately they made no difference. For convenience I just put them at the top of the list but I was wondering if they need to be placed in a certain position? Just to elaborate on that, I do have some traffic, for example at my home airport EGKK I get 40 to 50% with p3d AI set at zero and VOX at 100%, but if I try KMIA for example there is nothing. I started using P3D V4 earlier this year and installed all my WOAI traffic from my old FSX. As far as I can recall the AI volume was excellent other than the fact that a lot of the models weren’t suitable for V4. I was so glad when AIG developed their OCI. I thought that this was a dream come true. I’ve installed everything that they have available so far so I’m not short of airlines. If I use P3D AI traffic at 100% then I get plenty of traffic everywhere including KMIA. You are right what you say not understanding how VOX reads the bgl’s. it’s a mystery to me too, surely the indexer should read the files exactly how P3D does but obviously it doesn’t. I have been using UT Live but I miss the interaction that VOX gives. I was wondering whether to uninstall UT altogether in case that messes with the indexer in some way? I was also wondering if VOX needs an update? If you look at the VOX updates in VOX NEWS the first mention of V4 was 31st July 2018 with the last update being 3rd October 2018. We’re now up to V 4.5 with P3D so nothing’s changed for 9 months. I’m sure you know that VOX is not one of best developers for keeping us advised on progress. Anyway, I hope that you may be able to offer me some suggestions or any further progress that you have made yourself. Many thanks, Mike

Well Bert it certainly performs very much better in a slow aircraft rather than at Mach 1 😜 with the autogen going crazy in a jet fighter! As I said, I was punishing the sim a little for test purposes! Since I originally wrote my first post, I've slowed up a bit and have tried some flights in my PMDG aircraft as well over a variety of terrain/weather scenarios and I'm very pleased with the results. To be perfectly honest, I think that I was so excited about the new PC and just piled up the addons too quickly and expected miracles. Now that I'm being a bit more sensible and slowly testing and experimenting more I'm beginning to love P3D V4 very much. I'm glad that I made the move from FSX after many happy years of flying but feel that with the 64bit P3D and a new PC I'm good for all the exciting new developments that are yet to come. Thanks for all your sage advice Bert, I should know better at my age to be so hasty!!😛 MIke

Well Burt, I have been known to fly my A2A Cessna over Alaska, especially afer watching Flying Wild Alaska 😎

Thanks for your reply Bert. Yes you right this is a different beast to FSX. I tried without REX weather in operation but it didn't make any difference. I've been flying up and down over the River Thames which I consider to be quite a harsh environment for testing. Surprisingly experimenting with various scenery/graphic settings high or low didn't make a lot of difference to the overall performance. I've now reverted to P3D default settings and things are much smoother but as expected the distance is blurry and detail is generally reduced. I guess I must be more patient and slowly try different things over a longer period of time until I find an optimum setting. Doing 180's over London in a jet fighter is probably pushing it a bit anyway lol. The 737 is a bit more graceful and less taxing that's for sure. There's no doubt that this is subjective, people have very differing views about what is OK and what isn't Mace, my Samsung monitor is only capable of 60 MHz and runs at a resolution of 1920 x 1080 native. I did try limiting the frame rate to 30 fps and I think that there was a slight improvement with this. I shall experiment further. Does anyone know if I can make better use of the graphics card though Nvida Inspector? that's something that I haven't tried so far. Does anyone have any opinions on affinity mask settings? or Process Lasso? Keep the suggestions coming and thanks for the assistance so far. Regards, Mike

Hi Guys and particularly Bert Pieke if you're reading this, I've very recently set up a new PC specifically for P3D V4 and found that stuttering can be quite bad over major cities. Now I do accept that there's a lot of autogen/rendering going on around these areas but I'm a bit disappointed with the new set up so far. After some experimentation I came across Bert Pieke's recommended settings listed above and thought that I would try these as a guideline. I get great framerates in the cockpit, anything between 40/60 fps and 70/80 fps outside, but those built up areas really make the sim stutter. Now you're probably thinking that I should be moving some sliders to the left and you maybe right, but before you suggest this, let me detail some specs for you, because I do feel that there is room for improvement here. Intel i7-9700K processor overclocked to 4.8Ghz. Aorus Pro Z390 motherboard 16 GB RAM at 3200 Mhz Nvidia Geoforce 2080 ti graphics card 1 TB Samsung 970 Pro M2 SSD Corsair 750w power unit Corsair H115i cooler So that's the set up which I must admit I thought would be able to give P3D V4 a run for it's money, but so far that is not the case. Ok, so now to the software that I'm running. Pilots FS Ultimate Global mesh GEXP3D Global UTX REX Skyforce 3D plus HD Airports PMDG aircraft Chaseplane Track IR Ultimate Traffic Live I think that covers the main items. I should add, that I had a similar set of software installed on my old PC running FSX Steam with reasonable results. I was hoping for something a little better with the new PC. Alas! At this stage, I have stayed away from any tweaking, which to be honest I was hoping wouldn't really be that necessary. I'm hoping that I can get a bit more out the graphics card and would appreciate it if anyone has any suggestions regarding NVidia inspector settings. So, fellow flyers please help a downhearted enthusiast which a much lighter wallet than last month who just wants to get back to some smooth flying. Many thanks, Mike

VC10man, I've been trawling through various forums/websites etc for a Bhutan Airlines livery for the PMDG 737. I stumbled across your post, and as you said that you'd found one, I'm dying to know where. I know that your post is almost a year old now, so I hope that you see this and reply. Many thanks, Mike

Thanks Keven the video is really informative, I think that answers what I wanted to know Mike