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Ah thanks! That was actually the thread I meant to tag.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/decreasing-performance-throughout-long-flights-since-su5/441568?u=viralwhite

I posted it in the other thread and I'll post it here. I really love PMDG products, but for Randazzo to call folks a drama llama and then turn around and do the same thing is interesting. Really does make me thing something is up behind the scenes.

The biggest thing (imo) that you missed was Jorg calling out Randazzo in a very PC way. In a nutshell, PMDG has had constant communication with Asobo and Jorg even commented that the day of his rant they had been talking in discord. Also said this "show stopper" bug was a very simple and easy item to fix. Even stated that other devs had worked around it without any problem and it was resolved very easily. Makes you wonder if PMDG is just having internal issues and using Asobo as their distraction.

Soooooo... I interpreted the PMDG discussion during the stream to mean this:

Next update is SU8 which is all bug fixes. It'll be a good thing. Don't be complete doom and gloom.

Welcome back - since you've been gone there is an issue that has come up. Between the hours of 1800-1912 (EST), there is a problem with the weather not cycling through. They're aware of it. If you start your flight after 1800, you wont get the weather for 72 minutes. Take a breath, it'll be ok.

Not to wrinkle your theory, but Randazzo commented about this 100 days of no response from Asobo on January 17th. That would put the original problem back into October. Plenty of other things have happened over the holidays from both sides. I don't personally feel the holidays are what prevented Asobo from at a minimum, replying to Randazzo. Admittedly, I'm going by his words which clearly stated he was ignored for 100 days and required him to follow up each week. I'm not saying your idea isn't feasible, but not likely imo. I still stand by the fact that the community backlash and CM follow up on their forums is what moved this along. Lets not forget that Matt from WT even chimed in and said he would bring the attention of this matter to the team.

Agreed - 100%. Even the posts I don't like I understand people are only expressing their opinions which is a huge part of why this forum even exists.

To your point then, you're right, I can't "definitively" say it was, but if we are using that logic, than you can't definitively say it wasn't either. I'm trying to use simple reasoning here. The facts are this.... Randazzo stated Asobo had been ignoring him and nothing had been resolved within 100 days. After the community went up in arms, the issue resolved itself within a few days. Coincidence? Possibly, but I doubt it. Again, you have to remember that a CM from the MSFS forums had to go out and publicly reach out on their PMDG forums. I can't definitively say anything, but no one can.... but I'm still going to voice my two cents on the matter and now you have it. You don't have to agree with me on anything, but I think you'd be kidding yourself to not atleast agree that's interesting timing.

I'm a bit confused by your reply, but I'll see if I can clarify this for you. Maybe you weren't in the loop with the past 7 days of drama and the bomb shell that Randazzo dropped about this ongoing 100 day issue and show stopper. Randazzo casually replied to a user on their official forums that his team was frustrated, demoralized and this issue caused a significant impact to their enthusiasm. The community exploded. I won't link every thread and post, but if you do some searching you'll see on AVSIM, PMDG forums, and the MSFS official forums this has been a heated topic. The top voted item for the next Dev Q&A is called, "What is the status of sim functionality for complex airliners". It was because of the immediate responses from the community that a forum CM from the MSFS official forums reached out to Randazzo on his own forums. Randazzo said himself he reached out to Asobo weekly over the past 100 days to have this issue resolved without any luck. The community shook enough trees and raised enough pitch forks that Asobo responded and within a few days this problem is now resolved per Randazzo. After reading the post made by Randazzo this morning, I would've thought the community would receive some appreciation for making some waves and I would argue with anyone that our persistence is the direct result of why this issue was resolved. Whether Randazzo planned to use us against Asobo or not, it worked. I can only assume your comments were related to that part of my post and why I thought we deserved some appreciation. The remaining part of my post is pretty self explanatory. Unless you care to elaborate more, I'm not sure how much better of an explanation I can provide you.

I'm going to add my two cents to this. First and most importantly, I'm going to correct his post by adding the following statement that he should have included! "TO THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT AND PUSH TO HELP FORWARD OUR AGENDA. WITHOUT YOU, THIS ISSUE MAY HAVE CONTINUED TO PLAGUE THIS AIRCRAFT. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE HELP GETTING THIS TO THE TOP OF THE PRIORITY LIST" While I appreciate everything Randazzo wrote in his post, I'm disappointed that the community wasn't given any credit for helping move this. We were the squeaky wheel here and generated the necessary buzz to get this moving. I'm also cautiously optimistic about the ongoing issues he discusses. When he comments about his "worry list" it makes me think we are almost guaranteed something else to be a "show stopper". I'm excited like everyone else and I completely support PMDG, but lately I feel like the community has been jerked around with these hot/cold posts. So hopefully I can keep my glass half full going forward and maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised with some more positive information in the upcoming weeks.

I agree with this completely. After SU8 makes sense at the earliest.

No reply needed to this. I'm not a coder. I'm not a painter. I don't create mods. I'm a simple firefighter who enjoys aviation and doing it in my spare time. I really hope in the next couple years we can all look back and laugh at some of the petty moments that we've seen over the last 48 hours. I don't personally agree with RSRs comments but they make a good product and I'll continue to buy it. With that said, I'm not an Airbus guy, but I have the utmost respect for the team at FBW/WT and all of the other community modders who have volunteered their time to make this hobby as much fun as they can. RSR said it himself... he's got wrinkles, grey hair, and aching joints.... those are the guys you're supposed to be able to lean on for advice, get help from, and are generally wiser. It's a shame in his age he still hasn't been humbled enough. With that said, I'm also disappointed in Asobo. I think this is a two way street. I wont beat the dead horse since it's been argued here over and over now, but they have some responsibility here too and I hope they make right in the next dev Q&A and cover some of this. The topic with the most votes is regarding this very thing. I hope they take that seriously and spend some time covering it. To finish up, Iceman, FBW, WT, and all of the other mod teams out there, Thank you! You guys rock. You guys are absolute rock stars a long with everyone else who has the talent to make what we do better. I look forward to updates every day (Even if I am partial to Boeing). Hopefully PMDG will start to sing a different tune in the near future and those grey hairs will humble just slightly. Lastly, hopefully Asobo can make right some of the issues that supposedly hold back a great product and more!

I can’t help to think the post today with pictures and discussion of pricing model came out to help deflect from his comments.

Just to add though… while he clarified some items, it still doesn’t change his words. The fact still remains that this one issue has caused their team to feel, “frustrated, demoralized, and has already had a significant impact on enthusiasm”. I’m not trying to be chicken little, but the reality is regardless of how RSR spins it, his team is at a low with this product currently because of the challenges with Asobo.

Jorg when Rob calls hahaha

I'll agree with that. I find it rather odd to be honest. I'm trying to make a point on the MSFS forums that seems to be over a few folks head about why the CM reached out to begin with. The communication has supposedly been open to the point where Randazzo makes it seem like they have each others numbers. The CM post is what I would expect to receive if they were reaching out to me as a consumer, not a high profile dev. Seedy was probably trying to be helpful, but it just adds to the level of odd.

Interesting.... it would appear a CM has reached out to PMDG directly on their forums

Thanks for the clarification

I highly doubt you'll see them abandon the current project to redo it in WASM. I feel confident that RSR will get what he wants... it'll just take a few phone calls/emails to sort things out.

In all fairness, I think it's a bit premature to pick one over the other at this point.

I would agree completely with this. It is extremely hard to side with either. Not that it should be x vs. x, but it would be better to understand the position of each with more information. I’m really hoping Asobo uses this opportunity to explain their position in the next dev Q&A. Personally, if I was Asobo/PMDG, I’d be working on a way to bring RSR back for another live segment and a chance to truly air out some details without giving away “trade secrets”.

I agree with this. I’d like to see an answer from both sides of the aisle. PMDG and Asobo both should help enlighten the community. At the end of the day, they’re the ones that promised to look after the core simmers and PMDG is as core as you get for many of us.