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Check our front page for a hot press release from the new MAAM-SIM R-4D Team!If you guys are anything like me, the declaration that this is "good news" is probably an understatement! :-lol--M

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"is probably an understatement"Yeah well, I hadn't even had my first cup of coffee yet! I hate waking up to something like that; gets my heart going too fast too early!!! :-lol

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This is great news. I've got to get some money over their way; even as poor as I am I think I can scrape up at least five bucks.Besides, as much as I fly their DC-3's, I'd feel awfully guilty if I didn't.Thanks for this great news!Cheers!HeatherThe propeller is there to keep the pilot cool. Think not? Watch how much you sweat when it stops unexpectedly. ;) http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d18e8077527c2cb.jpg

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That is excellent news. I was so hoping that someone would step in and fill the great* shoes of Roy Chaffin. I'll do my part to help out and I look forward to the R4D. That B25 looks absolutely amazing as well.* author uses this word in a most sarcastic tone.

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FANTASTIC NEWS!!!!! I am glad that this will be the team to finish it off. Good group of folks. It shows that a real team is made up of individuals working towards a common goal for the benefit of all. A team cannot have self interest within. I am the proud owner of the CD version and love it. It's a worthwhile cause and to keep these aircraft in the air for future generations to see is our duty, especially aviation nuts like most of us are. Again, FANTASTIC NEWS and I can't wait to see its debut.Don

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YEEEH, GREAT NEWS!!!WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SUNDAY !!! :-lol :-lol :-lolhm (a DC3 lover)

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Hmmm... is it just me, or did the new MAAM press release sound quite critical of Roy in a very underhanded, sly way? :) (Not that I think it's unwarranted.)I mean, come on... anti-piracy code that limits users, not reconsidering the fact that he personally put the museum in a finacially worrysome position... I said it before in another post... these do not sound like the actions of an individual who has the interests of the museum fundraising first and foremost.

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Guys, I too am pleased as punch not only for the DC3 but boy I am looking forward to recreating the Doolittle raid with that B25!!!! One question though, while I'll gladly donate AGAIN to the Maam fund, I have a Cd version of the MAAM. (The fs2000 as it tunrs out). I had to get the code to unlock the fs2002 update, how will current users install the new Gmax version? Will we need a new update or what would like some clarification. Thanks.

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WOW that is awesome news!!!!!!Made my whole weekend hearing this :)I cant wait for both of those planes !!!!Talking about maybe doing a Beach 18 also, that would be great as well!!!Good things to come for all of us :)

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"(...) even as poor as I am (...)"Heather, I've noticed you mention this before. Are you kidding, are you exaggerating, are you just "moderately" poor like in not being able to keep up with the Joneses, or are you REALLY in bad circumstances? If the latter, I'm sure the community here can do something about that. For starters: would 50$ help you see the end of the month? Or are your problems on a totally different level, where such an amount would be too insignificant to do any good? Not prying, just trying to figure out if I can help solve an apparent problem.

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Yes.. exciting news indeed, out with the restrictions and bans by certain folk and in with good ole' fashioned spririt of flightsimming enthusiasts!! I like the whole idea of supporting MAAM too.I have Fred Bantings Beaver collection, so with Roy finally out and Fred in with Bill and Jan.. this is awesome news for the community.Regards.. TrevVisit "The DC-3 Hangar"http://www.douglasdc3.comhttp://www.douglasdc3.com/1/dc3.jpg

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Im just glad the project lives on. The politics of it are of little concern to me.Eric

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TRUE....HOW TRUE !!!!!!!!! Now MAAM will get more needed $$$$$$ and we will get a fine pile of electrons to play with! I'm happy!!! Just as a note....there is no I in TEAM.Don

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"Now MAAM will get more needed $$$$$$ and... "Don, Thanks for all the freware Bush Pilot stuff and I think you are right about that ! Any type of a release will net more charity funds than no version coming out at all.But as we all know Roy was not very happy when the early versions of R4D netted very very very little money for MAAM because hundreds of generous users did head the README plea and donated.So in the next version he made donations mandatory ('donationware') and that time thousands donated instead of hundreds (because they had to). But the teamates were true believers in the ideal of freeware, therefore donationware Roy was odd man out.Freeware with a plea for donations in the next version? That idea did not work worth a damn the first time, hopefully Don is right and it will succeed better next go round. And it just might, Heck you never know human nature might change for the better before the next version is released...http://pweb.jps.net/~wasatch/_uimages/cessna.gif==WHK==

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WHK,I don't think it is necessarily the case that Bill and Jan are against the compulsory donationware concept (despite what Roy stated in his original press release).--M

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Matt, you have been propagandized. Since it was I who originally walked into MAAM three years ago, conceived the idea of a donationware CD, and recruited the other team members, do you really think I was against making money for MAAM? The "disagreement" that led to Roy's cancellation of the R4D project by not allowing his code to be used in the VC gauges came about because Jan improved the sound package and sent it to the beta-team (which I was running) without Roy's permission. Although Jan had at first disliked the idea of time-locking the downloadable version (which we all had considered donationware all along -- go read the package documents) he changed his mind quickly when he realized that so few people had voluntarily donated and that the system was effective. He pointed that out to Roy and asked him to remove that implication and the "gun to the head" business, which was another fiction, from the PR on RCS. Roy did not change them, obviously.Also, do you think that this cancellation and Roy's refusal to reconsider in the interest of MAAM and the FS community even after a very generous apology by Jan for his "transgression" is the mark of a man with MAAM's best interest at heart? If I did not go along with him, Roy threatened to quit the B-25 project, too. Does that sound beneficial to the museum? What does the fact that Jan and I will proceed ahead with a series of MAAM donationware CDs with the full backing and cooperation of MAAM, while Roy has always intended to produce 5 aircraft of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight next indicate to you?So, I felt it was necessary for the good of MAAM to put an end to the downward spiral. Better that the Gmax R4D revenue be late, than never -- and better that the B-25's future contribution also be protected from such capricious behavior. Go ask the folks at MAAM, if you have a doubt. They have not been fooled for a minute about any of this. That's why Jan, and Fred, and I are MAAM-SIM now, with the approval of MAAM President Russ Strine. We are a part of the museum - still volunteers, but an arm of MAAM. RCS (Roy Chaffin Studios)is not. I will not sling mud in the forums. I'll leave that to others. But I won't stand by and see disinformation spread, either, especially if it might harm the cause of our museum. We will let our record now, and in the future speak for itself. BTW, Pete at MAAM said the CD's are flying out the door and he's sold out again. I am burning more as I write this. Thanks to everyone for your heart-warming support.Bill RambowMAAM-SIM"the R4D Team"

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Apart from the fact that I think you're talking to WHK and not me, I fully agree. ;-)--M

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SORRY MATT. I did not mean you, it was WHK that has been mislead. Of all the things I've ever lost, I miss my mind the most. ;-)Cheers, Bill

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Well Well. Are you wondering why you did not get a response?Not prying? Give me a break.No need to respond to my message if you know what I mean.BobG

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Jaap, is dit sarcastisch bedoeld???________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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