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Hello everyone:Is there a PMDG/Level-D quality 757 out there for FS9 (payware or freeware)? I know Captain Sim has their 757 --- but, to my knowledge, it doesn't have a full 2D panel, FMC, etc?Thanks

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>Hello everyone:>>Is there a PMDG/Level-D quality 757 out there for FS9 (payware>or freeware)? No, there isn't.ricardo

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The closest one would be the PSS. Not up there with LDS or PMDG but close. Very heavy on frames from the VC so make sure you have a strong computer.Carlos

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Carlos - do you own the PSS 757? If so - how do you like it? I am more interested in the 2D panels --- I've never really gotten into flying in the VC.Here's my system specs - I think it can handle it ;)Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 2.4 GHzGeForce 7950 GT -- 512 MB RAM2 GB DDR2 667 RAMSeagate Baracuda SATA 3GB/s -- 320 GB HDDCreative SB AudigyXP Pro

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The 2D panel on the PSS 757 is pretty good, but I'll give you one warning.Unlike Level D, PSS has put everything on their panel, including the standby gauges. To make it all fit, I find it's all a bit squashed and the glass displays can be a bit difficult to read.I use a widescreen TV with a PC input as a monitor (due to lack of space), and am limited to 1280*760, and I have to say the panel is completely unusable for me. I think this is mainly down to the fact that I use a TV and not a dedicated PC monitor (I have seen quality decreases over all my FS aircraft).Captain Sim's efforts are currently without FMC or advanced systems modelling. Apparantly also suffers from frame rate issues from what I've read, although I don't own it. From the screenshots, the glass gauges don't look too good either.FeelThere/Wilco also released a 757, although this is more for the jump-in-and-fly crowd, and I don't think it's too detailed on the systems side.Overall, PSS is the best of the bunch, but certainly not up to the standards of Level D and PMDG. Only alternative is to wait for the Level D 757 - but considering how much time was spent on development of the 767, it could be a while yet.

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>FeelThere/Wilco also released a 757, although this is more for>the jump-in-and-fly crowd, and I don't think it's too detailed>on the systems side.>>Overall, PSS is the best of the bunch,Feel There and Wilco released a lightweight 777 which got mediocre reviews, if memory serves. In regards to PSS, simmers shouldn't support a company that simply cannot deliver on what is explicitly listed on their product page. ricardo

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I recently purchased the PSS 757 and I'm very pleased with it. I also have the Level-D 767 and PMDG 737 series. The PSS 757 isn't quite as detailed as the others but it is the best available for FS9. PMDG plans on releasing a 757 but I understand it will only be for FSX so if you plan staying with FS9 for a while, PSS is the best choice.Rich

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FeelThere 777, of course! Silly me!!!I don't think PMDG are planning a 757. MD11, A320 & 737NG are there plans. Level D are currently developing a 757.

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"The PSS 757 isn't quite as detailed as the others but it is the best available for FS9."I like the PSS 757 as well but I too am not a fan of PSS as a development group. Simple things like VC night lighting should have been addressed along time ago but hasn't (autopilot back lighting). When these guys release a product that's usually all your going to get. Don't expect a patch to fix most of the time. I'm happy PSS took great pains to address the 777's initial shortcomings but it looks like another story altogether for the 757. I will say the PSS 757 is the best you can get right now as CaptainSim's 757 is nothing but a visual marvel at this point (kind of like our new FS version).

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I believe Leveld were in talks about either releasing it only for FSX or both FSX and fs9. Anyone get any news lately?

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PSS 757 is the best out there purely because there isn't any other competition (or at least serious competition).However, I would recommend avoiding it like the plague. It's heavy on frame rates and largely incomplete with some missing software still not delivered since August last year.

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>PSS 757 is the best out there purely because there isn't any>other competition (or at least serious competition).>>However, I would recommend avoiding it like the plague. >It's heavy on frame rates and largely incomplete with some>missing software still not delivered since August last year. Largely incomplete, he says...because of a missing load/fuel planner? Me thinks that makes it more like a little bit incomplete, and they're working on it, though definitely not at flank speed.The PSS 757 is probably as good as it's gonna get for a 757 in FS9. I find it to be a pretty decent product...certainly not perfect...but I can and do have fun with it, and I consider myself to be a reasonably discriminating simmer. I'd also suggest that very few folks are going to be happy with an LDS 757 running on FSX with the kind of performance problems "X" has now and in the forseeable future.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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I don't know whether incomplete is the right word, because as you say, it implies that it will be complete at some time in the future.At the moment, the product does not model systems as accurately as some would like, maybe a better way of putting it.However, the fact that we are now in January, and the load editor has still not appeared in at least 4 months is quite embarassing. I would imagine it's quite a simple piece of software to write for 'professionals'.

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>I don't know whether incomplete is the right word, because as>you say, it implies that it will be complete at some time in>the future.>At the moment, the product does not model systems as>accurately as some would like, maybe a better way of putting>it.PSS have never gone to the ends of the earth to model in-depth systems detail...they go for the 80% solution. For those who want that sort of detail, the PSS won't do. But if you want a nice looking model with a buttload of liveries, a fairly complete panel that'll take you through normal ops from cold and dark to shutdown at the gate, and good flight dynamics, it gets you there. For the others there's PMDG or the TinMouse II (shameless plug alert!).>However, the fact that we are now in January, and the load>editor has still not appeared in at least 4 months is quite>embarassing. I would imagine it's quite a simple piece of>software to write for 'professionals'.Yeah, not the greatest performance there. But that's a fringe-level aggravation that's easily overcome by spending 5 minutes with a spreadsheet and a text editor. Worthy of critique? Yep. Worthy of writing off the whole add-on, or worse getting suckered into the CaptainSim never-ending block crock? I just don't think so.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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I think the missing load/fuel editor is a very good reason to write off not only the add on but PSS as a whole. Not because its missing but because of how its handled, the BS that is told and how many times the reason its not there has changed. People seem to think FS payware companies should be sxcused from bad business because theyre small, do it on the side and isnt their main form of income. Im more inclined to believe that if theyre big enough to take my money they better deliver the goods, especially when advertised.

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>I think the missing load/fuel editor is a very good reason to>write off not only the add on but PSS as a whole. Not because>its missing but because of how its handled, the BS that is>told and how many times the reason its not there has changed. >People seem to think FS payware companies should be sxcused>from bad business because theyre small, do it on the side and>isnt their main form of income. Im more inclined to believe>that if theyre big enough to take my money they better deliver>the goods, especially when advertised.You just about summed it up. If you take money, you are a professional vendor and are going to be held to the same standard as any other professional seller. ricardo

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Apropos:The missing fuel planner is an advertised feature and the product is INCOMPLETE without it. Quite frankly PSS should refund everyone's money who purchased it because the law doesn't care if you deliver 99% of the product if you promised 100% you failed to deliver.PSS have given excuses from loss of Internet service in Malta to staff hurt on their other jobs, to piracy compatiblity as excuses for non-delivery. (The loss of Internet in Malta is a doozy! :-lol)I'm taking bets on "UFO" being a part of the next one.Unfortunately, a great deal of people allow this type of sophomoric and unprofessional business practice to be the norm with many vendors to the FS market therefore, the status quo remains.

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Missing fuel planner loader? I use FSpassengers to load the plane. Maybe not 100% realistic but lots of fun, and thats why I fly FS, for fun. Incomplete systems? The most complete and realistic available for a 757 at this time. No the toilet is not modeled. LDS 757 will be better and I will purchase it even for FSX if my computer can handle it. Captain Sim , I don't like the block system. If they ever finish all the blocks and put it into one package (and it works) then maybe I'll consider it. Posky's nice model can be merged with the level D panel too but it flys like a very light 767 so not realistic. I have some in my hangar since there are so many liveries available for the Posky and I like to experiment. Didn't I say I do this for fun? Regards, Carlos

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>Level D stated that the 757 is only for FSX.And thus sales will not be anywhere close to what the 767 did.

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>PSS 757 is the best out there purely because there isn't any>other competition (or at least serious competition).>>However, I would recommend avoiding it like the plague. >It's heavy on frame rates and largely incomplete with some>missing software still not delivered since August last year. I get great FR's with it. Just need to go into the performance options and turn down the frame rate refresh rate number.

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Hi"Unfortunately, a great deal of people allow this type of sophomoric and unprofessional business practice to be the norm with many vendors to the FS market therefore, the status quo remains."Well said.Pete

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>Hi>>"Unfortunately, a great deal of people allow this type of>sophomoric and unprofessional business practice to be the norm>with many vendors to the FS market therefore, the status quo>remains.">>Well said.>>>Pete >Indeed! Here is a recent post of the PSS forum:"A posting by PSS has stated the guy that was making the software got in a bad accident toward the end of December. (I think it is posted as a sticky in this forum). I am sure as soon as he recovers we'll have our gods. In the meantime best we can do is wish him well."I replied to this post as follows:"Or we can insist that PSS meets its obligations by hiring somebody else to to complete the work that in Norman's own words was supposedly completed 2-3 months ago. A responsible company would have done this a long time ago. There are, as I'm sure you'll be amazed to learn, many people who could have had the utilities finished by now. Let's not give PSS any more leeway on this issue - it's gone on long enough, don't you think? "My post was, of course and in typical PSS style, quickly deleted. Heaven forbid any negative portrayal of PSS remain on their forum!!!While PSS are quick to delete posts like mine there are several questions pending in their Boeing forum that they have not answered. Some have not been answered in 4 days. Yep, PSS customer support is the best :-roll Mark

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