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Hello everyone:Not sure if this is the right forum -- so feel free to move it if I put it in the wrong place...Anyway, I've got a problem with runway 10 on my KATL AFCAD file. I downloaded it through Dakota Smith's KATL scenery available here in the library. FS can't see the ILS on runway 10 -- and therefore says "Visual runway 10...." in the ATIS. Runway 28 (and all the other runways) seem to be fine.I attached a few screenshots of RWY10 to this message... Is there something I should change in the AFCAD file to enable the ILS on this runway?Thanks in advance, all help is appreciated.

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Anybody know if Jim Vile has a FS9 version of the KATL Afcad with 10/28?

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Yes. Follow my link and then check out the library results I link to. Top of page two.;-)

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And it's really a good one! Only thing you have to do is change the ILS frequencies in AFCAD on runway 1028 at Atlanta and change ILS 25 at Gwinnett County, which by default has the new freq for 28:Atlanta KATL10- 111.55 (IOMO)28- 111.75 (IPKU)Gwinnett Co. KLZU25- 1-9.95 (ITXP)These are from the d-TPP site for AIRAC 613

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Is there a need to change anything? Do either of them not work as they should? If you have to change something, I'd only change the frequency for 28 and leave the stock arport alone.Just open up Afcad (afcad221.zip in the library), open the new KATL Afcad you just downloaded and try a simple change to 111.70 or 111.80.

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I think the default KLZU ils is too close to KATL so the 2 interfere with each other. Just make an AFCAD for KLZU and change the ILS loc freq to 109.95 then save to your AFCAD folder.scott s..

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Just open Jim's KATL file in AFCAD and edit the ILS for each airport.The problem is that in the default FS9 111.75, the ILS for new 28 at KATL, is the frequency for ILS 25 at Gwinnett County, which is 22 nm from KATL, so you won't get the 28 at ATL you'll get the ILS 25 at Gwinnett.Also, when Jim did this file in September 2005, the final frequencies for 1028 hadn't been assigned, so the freqs and Idents are wrong for current AIRAC cycles.See these links:For KATL ILS 28:http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0613/00026IL28.PDFFor Gwinnett Co. ILS 25:http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0613/05385I25.PDFFile size? The new file for Gwinnett county is 8kb in size. No change in Jim's KATL AFCAD file.Hope this helps.

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And now on to the hundreds of other changes since FS9's release. :(My problem is not so much file size. Or even adding another file. But since there are so many things out of date, why not keep it simple and make a simple change like I suggested. Maybe it's just me. ;-)

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Sure, you can do that, but then you'll have 111.75 active for 2 ILS approaches with 25nm of each other. I've never had that happen in FS so I'm not sure what would happen. Might cancel each other out or FS might read it as an AFCAD file conflict and crash, I don't know. Don't mind me, I'm just one of those "real as it gets" nuts and a fairly intense type A, or so my better half tells me... :-)

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I installed Jim Viles ATL AFCAD and it is indeed very nice. Adds 10/28 which is cool. My problem is that it also adds a fictional ramp and terminal area between 10/28 and 9R/27L. I live in Atlanta, and that terminal area ISNT there. Perhaps its planned for the future. If I personally would like to install it...in the future. Its not accurate now.Eric

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If I change the freqs and Idents (from IATB to IOMO for example), will the ILS still work in FS9? Will these not affect the changes Jim has made to get the ILS working for his new KATL?

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>I installed Jim Viles ATL AFCAD and it is indeed very nice. >Adds 10/28 which is cool. My problem is that it also adds a>fictional ramp and terminal area between 10/28 and 9R/27L. >I live in Atlanta, and that terminal area ISNT there. >Perhaps its planned for the future. If I personally would>like to install it...in the future. Its not accurate now.Or the roads and landclass going through the new section of the airport.

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After having 2 flights land on 10 and 28 respectively (the ILS does work), I've decided that this KATL isn't quite ready enough for me. Jim needs to add some flattens and excludes to counter autogen, roads and mesh (the approach lights float). I look forward to his next version, but for now I'll just do without 10/28.

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Just FYI, a brand new KATL scenery that looks to be of fly tampa quality will hopefully be released this month from a new developer. Keep watching the major flight sim sights.

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A GB here, a GB there, and pretty soon you are talking about some real disk space!scott s..

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You can change the ident of an ILS facility that is tied to a specific runway end, that will add a new ILs with that ident but the original ILS ident is still active.I just worked on a change for a new airport that wasn't in FS9 (KUTA in Tunica, Miss -- guess the gamblers need a longer all weather runway) and it is close to Memphis KMEM. KMEM used to have an ILS on the same freq as part of runway 17/35 (no longer exists) and even though the runway is deleted in the KMEM AFCAD, the old ILS is still there and it causes the new one at KUTA to turn off on the gauge when the aircraft was within 2.2 nm of it.scott s..

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The road is actually I-285 and that IS there. Its covered over by bridges.

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I was pointed to this post by a e-mail.i am seeing some issues that are not part of my original upload. Lets first make sure that we are talking about the KATL for FS9 ONLY.There is also a KATL for FSX that I have on AVSIM and they are NOT interchangable. DO NOT MIX the files for KATL using some FS9 and some FSX bgl's. Make sure you pick the right download for the right FS version.I cannot see each persons computer and how the files were installed but for those that are seeing deep valleys and I-285 going across the runway 10/28 you have problems somewhere else in your default FS9 that has corrupted the land class files and photo scenery that KATL uses.My FS9 KATL is using a texture under runway 10/28 that rids all autogen/roads. KATL uses a photo picture for the ATLANTA area so it is very important that no 3rd party mesh is interfering with KATL. There are also proper flattens for KATL so if you have deep vally's my flattens are not being read properly by someone elses non-compatible mesh.KATL is based on all FS9 default ground elevations and textures. If changes have been made prior to installing KATL you could see problems with the ground and roadways. Also if you had someone elses KATL installed and then installed my KATL, then in some cases when files are left behind you end up with distorted ground.Many files and downloads for FS9 are backward compatible even though they appear to work ok. My files are 100 percent XML FS9 type files and it is very important that you have nothing installed by 3rd party that uses old style coding. The FS9 default KATL is not forgiving like most airports based on the Photo scenery MS used for this airport.My KATL was released as a future version. There is no TERMINAL F or G at Atlanta yet but is in the planning stages and slated to open in 2009. There is no South Cargo Terminal yet but also is in the Master plan.When I added runway 10/28 it was not finished in real world so I had to use fake ILS IDENTs and Freq's. The approach code was not yet released so my ILS does work both VMC/IMC but is very basic with no Transistions.If you change the ILS freq for RWY 28 to 111.75 the ILS will not work do to KLZU RWY25 ILS. They are the same and one interfers with the other (already noted above).Like most I had no plans of making a update to KATL for FS9 because all my effords have been put into KATL FSX.I have had request to make KATL for FSX look like real world. My first upload does have the commuter terminal which is being worked on now at Atlanta but in the next several days there will also be a lighter version (real world KATL uploaded to AVSIM). The FSX version has many new AI Traffic behavior features never done before in FS9 or FSX. Even if you can't run FSx you should read the Readme on how my FSX KATL is working.i will monitor this post and help out where I can if you are having problems with my FS9 KATL. If needed I may be able to go back and make a lite version and add all the new RNAV STAR arrival Transitions that were released in NOV 2006 (in my FSX version) and also fix 10/28 with the correct ILS freq.

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Jim, I do have mesh installed as most with FS9 here do. The taxiways, tarmacs and new runway are flat, just not the areas in between and around them. There, the mesh is not flattened. In fact as one picture shows, the approach lights are floating. I'm running FS9's stock KATL photo scenery with no add-on Atlanta sceneries. I am using mesh as noted and the road and landclass is probably a result of Ultimate Terrain (which adds accurate roads, rivers , etc.). There is also autogen being created inside the new grass areas. An exclude for the new grass areas should take care of that, along with a flatten for the entire new area of the airport. I installed as per the instructions and the buildings, new runway, taxiways, etc. all showed up as well as the new ILS worked. It just had the issues I described above. I'm sure a flatten for the entire new area and an exclude for all areas except the new buildings would take care of the problems. I uninstalled as per the instructions and everything was removed from where it was suppose to be (as well as putting the default afcad back in place), so I'm sure I didn't miss any files on the install.One more thing. I'd like to thank you for posting. Many authors create a great add-on and then you never hear from them regarding supporting it afterwards. I don't blame them one bit as it's freeware and they have a life outside of FS. The ones who do stay on top of their creations I admire even more.

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Jim, your work and your effort is great. as a guy who lives and flies regularly out of ATL as a passenger, its excellent to have the new runway. It would be also great to have a light FS9 version that is current, real world. Best regards,Eric

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