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feelthere 737 vs pmdg ng

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i have the pmdg ng and like it but i want something different, something not all glass, im thinking of getting the ft 737, just wanted to know how it compares. like in the flight model, are the going to "feel" the same? are the fps's worse? or same? how about in cockpit sounds. i was watching some in cockpit sounds on flight level 350 and noticed how noisy everything is - i wish this would be duplicated better..any advice, would be niceciao!Brian S

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Two different birds (-300 series versus Next Generation glass display version). Both birds have great FDE's, FeelThere has a more heavier feel (I've never flown the real bird so there's no way of telling which FDE is better than the other). The FeelThere model is newer with better framerates (at least for me; this is only if one takes the time to adjust the various display screen settings in the provided configuration utility). Concerning sounds you get more with FeelThere meaning gear wind noise etc. I use Des Braban's sounds with the PMDG bird because more than anything you hear wind noise over engine noise in the 737 (not on the level of the 744 or the MD80 though for those checking). This was my biggest problem with PMDG's 737 but again it must be noted how old this add-on is now. PMDG has all the displays linked to each other meaning both ND screens display the same info versus the ability to adjust each independently (I can't stress enough how this can hinder you situational awareness on approach). In the FeelThere model you can independently adjust the ND screens, you also have a weather radar and TCAS option on top of that. The VC's are a mixed bag. PMDG's VC is showing it's age while some have complained about the graphics in the FeelThere version. The dimensions in the PMDG VC aren't correct (seats are too small, main panel is smaller than normal, and pilot seat doesn't sit directly in front of the yoke are among the few minor grips I've found :-)) Ariane has the best looking NG cockpit at the moment. The best and most accurate VC would be a combination of both Ariane and PMDG (both have strong points that would be great if combined)... Don't get me wrong here, PMDG's 737NG is a true pioneer and the reason we have products like Level-D's 767. The FeelThere model has a weathered look to it which I like (some don't). The displays look especially good at Dusk/Dawn as well as the night lighting. There's a freeware add-on that makes it look even better at night. The impressive info given from the avionics in the FeelThere bird has you being more of a pilot versus worrying about what the various textures look like. A dusk to night flight out of KLAS to KSAN has to be seen to understand what I'm saying here.Both birds are great but do to the framerate issue and more modern implementation of in cockpit features I'd take the FeelThere bird over PMDG's. PMDG will be working on a newer version in the distant future for FSX only. That alone will keep me with the FeelThere model until Microsoft releases Vista/DX10 (more so DX10). If the FSX patch improves FSX then I'll be eagerly awaiting PMDG's next NG. If the FSX patch proves to be a dud then FeelThere's bird will end up being the best of the bunch as far as FS9 is concerned.

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HiI share Dillion`s thoughts on the FT737I still miss the DF panel though as it had real charicter.Pete

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"PMDG has all the displays linked to each other meaning both ND screens display the same info versus the ability to adjust each independently (I can't stress enough how this can hinder you situational awareness on approach)."Dillon, I am assuming you mean the pilot and co-pilot ND displays when you said this?? Do you have the 800/900 upgrade? It added TCAS display on the ND as well.

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"Dillon, I am assuming you mean the pilot and co-pilot ND displays when you said this??Do you have the 800/900 upgrade? It added TCAS display on the ND as well."The ND screens are exactly what I meant... :-) As far as the 800/900 upgrade, in the FeelThere model you get everything in one price.

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I own the PMDG 737 series (600-900) and the FT737 series (300-500). I love them both to death.The FT737 is mostly glass though. It's a mix of old and new, with the VSI and Altitude being analouge off the top of my head.The sound is well done and even has WX radar right on the HSI.FT 737 also has a frame rate tuner, and I find the frames to be the same as the PMDG. The PMDG does look a little nicer though.

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thanks guys that is very helpfull, i think i might have to get it, it really sounds funciao!Brian S

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>Don't get me wrong here, PMDG's 737NG is a true pioneer and the >reason we have products like Level-D's 767. I think you have it backwards there...767 Pilot in Command (for FS2000) pre-dated PMDG's first add-on for MSFS by a pretty long margin, and was the first really detailed airliner system simulation for MSFS. They're both great add-ons, but PMDG certainly did not lead the way for the Level-D crew...if anything it's the other way around.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Your right Bob and what's funny is me and Eric Ernst (MD80 First Officer American Airlines) spoke many times in the past. I used his panels years prior to 767PIC. I remember him telling us about it when it was in planning. He was the type of guys who would rather draw his panels versus using a photo image. 767PIC changed his mind though... What I was speaking about was the whole detailed VC concept combined with the external visual model. Yes 767PIC gave us the the beginnings but PMDG combined the best of everything and made one heck of a package. PSS's A320 series was first out the gate for FS2k2 but PMDG took things on a whole other level.Bob if memory serves me correctly Ready For Pushback pre-dated Wilco's 767PIC. Correct me if I'm wrong on this... :-)

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I guess I'm in the minority, but the FT737 is very heavy feeling and not fun to fly. I also think the performance is bad as well. I took it off my system, but I kept the PMDG.

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Not mentioned at all, but a really big difference between the FT & the PMDG is the docs. FT has virtually none, as is typical for FT, the PMDG has hundreds of pages.* Orest

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If anything the Feelthere 737 has made me appreciate the PMDG 737 even more. When a plane works as well as the PMDG one I realised I started taking things for granted until I got the Feelthere. To me automated flight is a major part of any serious airliner simulation and the PMDG 737 will follow a flight path both vertically and horizontally exactly as programmed. In comparison the Feelthere autopilot is almost amateuristic work as one can also tell from all the complaints on their forum. The VNAV is at best unreliable and the LNAV will give you unexpected and uncontrolled twists and turns. Not to mention that any significant change of heading during take off will result in a temporary dive. Just imagine the poor passengers! So in the end I do feel they are in a totally different league.Cheers,Paolo

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well i bought it, and i've got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that i just flushed $43 away... mmmm. not sure what to think, the first thing that bugs me is the terrible pixelated texture/font or whatever they use for the digital engine readouts, man thats aweful, any patch or ?? something for that? ciao!Brian S

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