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I've always had a liking for the HS125/Hawker series. When I started my career many years ago I worked on the engine control system for the AiResearch (now Honeywell) TFE731. We had an HS125 for our daily shuttle between Phoenix and LA that I rode numerous times.When I worked at Harley-Davidson we bought a Hawker and we used it for shuttles to the Talladega test facility.I see FSD has a model "on the drawing board". What are their models like? The screenshots look pretty nice, but I would value your opinions on the panels, VC, realism and support.

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Some like them, some don't... suggest reading/searching through the forum here for "FSD" topics prior to purchase.. specially regarding their re-install procedure/issues

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HelloI have all the FSD models, they are up there with the best of them..

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Their planes are great, great detail, great systems replication. But the developers are kind of stubborn know it all's, who are not fond of any adverse comments and they have their own way of doing things. Kinda you have to love it or hate it, or learn to deal with it. I never have any problems reinstalling software from them. And I fly their planes (Cessna, Piper's) almost everyday.Rob "Holland&Holland" de Vries http://fool.exler.ru/sm/fly2.gif"To go up, pull the stick back. To go down, pull the stick back harder"

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I have the 1st rendition of the Cheyenne 400 with the update. bought about 3 years ago. Paid $15.00 for it. Great product. Look what they want for it now. If I loose it buying another computor, I have to re-buy the airplane at the new price. I am going to get the Hawker when it comes out, but will get it only on the CD. That will relinquish me from any hassles in the future. They are way to astringent on their buying procedures. If you have to reload windows 3X on account of virus, you'll have to jump through hoops to get the airplane back.Just my experiences with them..

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>Their planes are great, great detail, great systems>replication. But the developers are kind of stubborn know it>all's, who are not fond of any adverse comments and they have>their own way of doing things. >>Kinda you have to love it or hate it, or learn to deal with>it. I never have any problems reinstalling software from them.>>>And I fly their planes (Cessna, Piper's) almost everyday.>Not to mention that FSD provided excellent flight dynamic updates for many of the default aircraft, year after year, and "free".L.Adamson

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I bought the Cheyenne for 2002 and thought it was great for the time. It is completely outclassed now, but when it was first released it was about the best around.I've since bought the Commander and 337. Basically the latter two I would grade as 6 out of 10. Very nice in some respects, let down by shoddy attention to detail.My biggest pet hate is the protected panel. The Commander especially needs an FLN/FLT update but this is too time consuming and so I can't be bothered.

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I've only ever had one FSD product - The Porter. A truely stunning reproduction of truely stunning aircraft.I would love to be able to fly it again, but FSD called me thief and refused to activate my PAID FOR aircraft.A REAL shame 'cos they make great addons.

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Whoa!!!"Excellent flight dynamic updates for many of the default aircraft, year after year."???? WOW. Lets hear your explanation of all those great flight dynamics, year after year. And name the years...I'd like to go back and pick them up.

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>Whoa!!!>>"Excellent flight dynamic updates for many of the default>aircraft, year after year."???? WOW. >Lets hear your explanation of all those great flight dynamics,>year after year. And name the years...I'd like to go back and>pick them up. I doubt it, you'd have to go clear back to FS2000, to start with. It's a fact though. Look it up.L.Adamson

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>Not to mention that FSD provided excellent flight dynamic>updates for many of the default aircraft, year after year, and>"free".>>L.AdamsonThat was years ago, and since then FSD have managed to flush whatever goodwill that earned them right down the loo.FSD is way high on my "never again" list due to the arrogant, unfriendly approach they take when dealing with their paying customers.Two-thumbs down from me.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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I bought their 337. It's the only freeware or payware plane I've ever had that prevents you from making any modifications to the panel, at least by using FS Panel Studio. (I'm not saying there aren't any others that do this, just that this is my only experience with one.) I will almost always tweak a panel, if only to add a favorite gauge that it may not have. On the 337 panel the engine gauges don't show unless you toggle that sub-panel on. You can't leave it on because it hides primary navigation instruments on the main panel. Meanwhile, the radio stack shows all the time. This seems backwards to me, and I'd rather have the engine gauges on the main panel instead of the radios. Normally I'd be able to make the change myself, but FSD doesn't think I should be able to. As a result I fly the plane a lot less than I might, and I won't be buying any of their other products. It's a shame that they're so paranoid...the plane really is excellent in most respects. Sidney Schwartz KPDX

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FSD code their gauges so that the panel.cfg cannot be edited in FS Panel Studio. If you disable DLL dependencies, you can view the panel window, but with no visible bitmap cues to assist placement.However, that does not stop you from manually editing the panel.cfg file, and by trial and error, doing whatever revision you want.I have succesfully modified a number of FSD panels, and although tedious, it is by no means impossible.I have never had any problems in my dealings with FSD, and their models are generally of very high quality.

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No complaints about the quality of their aircraft, but check the forums very, very carefully for the much more edgy issue of their installers dropping spyware in your system, their accusatory tone if you ever dare to disagree with them, and the manner of their support. It's a competitive market out therehttp://www.baepanelproject.com/Allcott

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Larry is quite correct... FSD has in the past updated their products regularly and for free. FSD also unfortunately pays the price of vigorously protecting their products from thieves and cheats. Also unfortunately, sometimes innocent persons get caught up in the net. I make no judgement on how they deal with those instances only to make the point that I have always been dealt with in completely an honest and supportive manner. There appears to be amongst some at this forum who have a bee in their bonnet about FSD and who will at each occasion with no bidding, troll out their tales of woe. It's quite a shame that a talented bunch of individuals are forever tarred with this brush, and which for the majority of interactions with the vast majority of customers are truely undiserved.In terms of their products, I have seen much more expensive offerings from other developers that are of much worse quality. Steve Small is one of the best of the best when it comes to flight dynamics from both a theoretical as well as a practical perspective and has a level of personal integrity that cannot be faulted IMHO. The aircraft graphics are generally of a good quality, although there are better from some developers. In short the products are great value for money.Cheers and all the best with your simming, Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern Australia

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I owned the FSD Cheyenne, Porter, Seneca, Navajo, Aerostar and also the Avanti.I reformatted my system back in September, and as of yet, have not reinstalled any of these products. Strangely I don't really know why. Granted I do not have any of my order numbers, since these were amongst my first FS2004 payware purchases. Added to which, some of the models are now V2, and thus I believe I would have to pay for the upgrade.FSD aircraft certainly have quality written all over them, and I myself have never had issues with them, or with FSD themselves.But I do wonder why I am not clamouring to reinstall them...Regards,Al.

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It's the same for me. After a complete reinstall over Christmas the only one I kept was the Porter and I did that by just copying it over as I didn't trust the installer. Luckily it worked. But I owned them all up to the Avanti and the Porter was the only one I wanted.FSD aircraft were 'must have' add-ons in the early days of FS2004 but things (and other developers) have moved on a bit since then I think.

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Please, please, please, research this as you are doing now. Search Avsim, Flightsim, heck do a google search on FSD. Why?I was a regular customer of FSD for many years, I purchased every aircraft they made, and never had a problem. Until I moved to a new home, I decided to do a complete re-install of FS9 and all my aircraft. However on installing my first FSD airplane (the Navajo), it returned an error code, simply saying that you need to send this code to FSD support. I did, a little while later I get a threatening legal notice, that I must submit to them funds for a stolen aircraft. What? I paid for this, I have my receipt. They accused me of stealing the 337. Saying there was evidence on my PC of my attempt to install a crack of some kind. I asked for proof, they gave me nothing!! They de-activated all of my previous purchases, until I paid for this supposed aircraft I stole. At that point you could only get the installers from them through a purchase email. How in the H E L L did I get the fricken installer to install or steal this aircraft? Well they surmized I or 'someone' else attempted to do this and that I must pay or else they will take whatever legal actions they see fit.They are rude, well you know what its just one person who is rude and a complete turn off. We know who that loud mouth is! I will continue to post and repost this for every request for info on FSD, as a simple warning. You don't think it will happen to you? Just wait. Am I bitter? You bet!!I will never ever buy from FSD again. And before you do, become an informed consumer.J. A.

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I too had that very same email from FSD. What an insult! It REALLY, REALLY hurt.As a few folk here will know, i have a medical condition that WILL kill me in the not too distant future. I've had this for some time, and have come to terms with this. This has had a profound effect on how i think about just about everything and, as a result, there's not much that 'gets' to me.Well, FSD are one very few that still make me mad - mad as ####!

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I too had the same problems with the installer and the Seneca after an OS re-install.

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