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Tom Allensworth

Countdown To Maddog 2006!

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According to the developer, the start of the sale of the new Maddog version is set for Thursday, March 15, a.m. European time. Much looking forward to this. Here's hoping the release will go a lot smoother compared to the last time. Added/New Features Here:http://www.flythemaddog.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1564The MD 80 is one of my most favorite addons, even though half the time I press the wrong buttons (the cockpit layout must be a nightmare for folks interested in CRM, lol).Forgot to mention:1) Previous owners of the Maddog 2004 will be able to buy the new version at a discounted price:http://www.flythemaddog.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20562) The manuals are already available for download. The new version comes with a detailed flight tutorial, in both English and, naturally, Italian.http://www.flythemaddog.com/download/2006/...og_2006_doc.zipricardo

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Yes but lets hope they have their stuff together when it comes to buying it. Nothing worse that having to hit the download button 150 times and then to find out that you get 3.8 KB/s download because they didn't have the server bandwidth. I love that excuse "due to massive amount of interest in this product the servers are at max capacity". What you couldn't figure out that for the last 6 months of people talking on the forums that the downloads were going to be huge? Wilco is notorious for this.

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Really looking forward to this one. If I remember correctly from their forum it should be available via their website and simmarket.Wonder if I should stay up for this tonight ;-)Cheers,Petehttp://members.aol.com/pzsoulman/myhomepage/logo.gifGIGABYTE Light 3D Galaxy II Liquid CoolingENERMAX Galaxy EGA850EWL ATX 850W Power SupplyNVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel MoboCore 2 Duo E6700 1066MHz FSB 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775CORSAIR XMS2 2GB SDRAM DDR2 800GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI ExpressSBlaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.12 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA Raid01 Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/sWinXP Home SP2CH Yoke/Pedals

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Jack,honestly, it runs so good that I haven't looked at my FPS in a while. This system was build with FS9 (yes, FS9 no typo ;-) ) in mind and it runs it like crazy :-hahAlthough not a benchmark test in my PMDG 747 in VC view with Active Sky providing real weather in the worst conditions and UT traffic at 95% on an approach into Aerosoft's Frankfurt it never goes below 30 FPS, never. I have all sliders to the right, exept traffic is at 95.I'm hoping for the same performance in the new Maddog.Cheers,Petehttp://members.aol.com/pzsoulman/myhomepage/logo.gifGIGABYTE Light 3D Galaxy II Liquid CoolingENERMAX Galaxy EGA850EWL ATX 850W Power SupplyNVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel MoboCore 2 Duo E6700 1066MHz FSB 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775CORSAIR XMS2 2GB SDRAM DDR2 800GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI ExpressSBlaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.12 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA Raid01 Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/sWinXP Home SP2CH Yoke/Pedals

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He Guys,stop hijacking my Maddog a really excited user thread. :-lol :-jumpy ricardo

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Hehe, looks like the livery's pack is being uploaded as we speak...http://www.flythemaddog.com/downloads.phpPetehttp://members.aol.com/pzsoulman/myhomepage/logo.gifGIGABYTE Light 3D Galaxy II Liquid CoolingENERMAX Galaxy EGA850EWL ATX 850W Power SupplyNVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel MoboCore 2 Duo E6700 1066MHz FSB 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775CORSAIR XMS2 2GB SDRAM DDR2 800GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI ExpressSBlaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.12 x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA Raid01 Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/sWinXP Home SP2CH Yoke/Pedals

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Yeah but try downloading the "livery pack". It is actually routes.zip. Messed up there....wooops. I was asking Pete how that system runs because I was going to upgrade my system to something similar except the QX6700 processor and maybe wait for the R600 ATI card that is coming out if it doesn't keep getting delayed. I just threw over 4K on my system exactly one year ago on a AMD FX60, dual 7800GTX, etc and of course, like every simmer, I feel I can get something better!

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Yup, it's Maddog day !It looks very promising indeed. The most complete simulation package I have ever seen (weather radar, multicrew, failures module, etc., etc.).Mike

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I'm a little disappointed that a) apparently, previous owners of the Maddog 2004 will have to wait until a discounted version of the Maddog 2006 will be made available and :( that the time frame for the virtual cockpit seems vague ("during 2007). ricardo

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"b) that the time frame for the virtual cockpit seems vague ("during 2007)."The excitement over this 2D only project is puzzling. Jet City visual models are being marketed with an upgraded 2D panel. The going price for this package is $45+ all the while the asking price for the fully completed CoolSky/Flight1 MD80 (2D Panel, VC, Training module, etc) is only $34.95. The upgraded VC option for the Maddog 2006 model has been promised for almost 2 years yet all we get is a great 2D panel 'again' using aged Jet City external models (which is insane for the price). This is actually worse than the various meaningless 727/757 'Blocks' from CaptainSim. Maybe it would do CaptainSim some good to release a very good 2D panel along with their visual models. The VC can come in a 'Block' 15 years later. It seems many would be fine with that versus us in the VC camp that want a completed product. :-roll

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:-lol Chis I find this funny and sad at the same time. $45+ for basically a 2D panel upgrade and people are jumping up and down about it. A package for this price needs great sounds, a great FDE, and usually a completed visual model including a VC. That's just the standard today for that kind of money. If CaptainSim tried this they'd be crucified...Don't get me wrong the 2D panel looks great but for $45+ (and that's all you get) is higher that what Ariane is charging for their products. Avionics/FMC aside, I'll take the CoolSky/Flight1 model any day over something like this...

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I'm beginning to agree with this. I was hoping for a substantial discount, now it seems that it's not clear whether a discount will be forthcoming at all (I don't think the developers of the Maddog are going to get access to the Lago customer database in order to retrieve order #).Plus, I'm having a real problem with the unspecified release date for the virtual cockpit. Lago and the developers never delivered on their promise to make the Lago version vc compatible with the Jetcity aircraft. Lol, I'm still waiting for the (promised!) virtual cockpit for Igfly's Tupolev.Sadly, I think I will have to pass on this new version of Lago's Maddog. ricardo

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I'll take the>CoolSky/Flight1 model any day over something like this... I would too if the Coolsky plane didn't crash with OOM errors on every other flight. It's very good, but if I can't complete a flight with it then it becomes useless.I will likely stick with my 2004 version. It does just fine, satisfies my maddog needs, and this new version hardly seems worth that kind of cash.

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Agreed, an insane price for an incomplete package. They should have taken the time to develop a product worth the pricetag. I'll skip this one.

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>Chis I find this funny and sad at the same time. $45+ for>basically a 2D panel upgrade and people are jumping up and>down about it. A package for this price needs great sounds, a>great FDE, and usually a completed visual model including a>VC. That's just the standard today for that kind of money. >If CaptainSim tried this they'd be crucified...Well, that's not fair. Compared to the 2004 version, the new maddog has a lot of new features, really a lot. Working WX radar, a F/O panel, a working multicrew (aka cockpit sharing) feature, working windshear alerts, system failures, a instructor module, ground operations, a very comprehensive load manager, a working FDR, full panel state saving and much more. It is a *major* upgrade, that has been said by someone who was beta testing the new panel and who should know, because he was a real MD-8x captain for many years.Its much more than just an upgraded panel. The feature list is one of the most complete I've ever seen for an airliner.Plus, the VC upgrade will be free (and I have no reason to *not* trust them here, because the Maddog devs have shown a big commitment to their product in the past - they patched the troubled 2004 release for almost 2 years until it was a nearly perfect product).And its also a dual-FS release. The FSX version will be free of charge for anyone who buys the FS9 version now.I agree that the missing VC isn't the best thing, but for now, I can live with that. If you don't trust them enough, then I suggest to wait for the VC upgrade and then reconsider your opinion. It's a really nice addon and skipping it would mean to miss one of the best airliners available for MSFS.

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>> and people are jumping up and down about itPost like this make me worry about the part of the hobby I am enjoying.Why shall developers in future care about simulation accuracy and system depth (this is what eats up a lot of development time) , if a product and/or it's value is only judged from screenshots and VC existence.Some are happy with just a VC and beautiful night lighting. Ok, nothing wrong with that. VERY high systems accuracy, EGPWS, weather radar , Multicrew module, failure and instructor module. You don't care, has no value for you ? Again nothing wrong with that.But do you get blamed for enjoying half-baked simulations like e.g. Simmer Sky MD11 ? No, you aren't. But then - why don't you leave others their part of the hobby and just go elsewhere ?Yes, I'm jumping up and down about Maddog 2006. And I still would if it would cost 100$.Mike

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Ricardo,You raise some valid points, and for the record, though I support the team behind this product, and have for some time even publicly here, I too will be waiting a bit before purchasing.Having said that, I don't think it's fair to hold THIS team responsible for the Lago/JetCity fiasco, as they had absolutely zero control over that situation.That also applies to the discount situation; the only way they can verify who purchased through Lago, is via Lago themselves....if Lago doesn't play ball, what would you have them do ? It isn't gonna kill anybody to wait awhile. One thing I think this team has demonstrated, that others have not, when in similar situations, is that they are dedicated over the long run; the 1.51E patch coming almost 1.5 years after the original Lago release, after everything Lago did to screw the whole mess, should be at least a small testament to that.One other thing I'd like to highlight is that with these folks, you will get an honest answer to your questions. It may not always be the answer you want, but I've never seen them once try to BS their way out of answering what's asked of them.

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The level of realism is simply fantastic... Way above Coolsky guys... And I mean WAY ABOVE.

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Can someone perhaps compare it to PMDG747 or LDS 767?

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>>> and people are jumping up and down about it>>Post like this make me worry about the part of the hobby I am>enjoying.>>Why shall developers in future care about simulation accuracy>and system depth (this is what eats up a lot of development>time) , if a product and/or it's value is only judged from>screenshots and VC existence.>>Some are happy with just a VC and beautiful night lighting.>Ok, nothing wrong with that. >VERY high systems accuracy, EGPWS, weather radar , Multicrew>module, failure and instructor module. You don't care, has no>value for you ? Again nothing wrong with that.>>But do you get blamed for enjoying half-baked simulations like>e.g. Simmer Sky MD11 ? No, you aren't. >>But then - why don't you leave others their part of the hobby>and just go elsewhere ?>>Yes, I'm jumping up and down about Maddog 2006. And I still>would if it would cost 100$.>>Mike >>Mike, since you seem to be a "realism nut," let me ask you this: in the "real aeroplane," is it realistic for pilots to sit with their noses pressed against the (2d panel)?ricardo

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Mike and Alex, no matter how you try to dress this up it's still a 2D panel with a Jet City freeware visual model. Once they integrate all those features into a working VC that looks good both day and night then we'll have something. The older Maddog (2004) was far from a perfect product... Again you had a great 2D panel that worked with freeware visual models. The Lago VC looked horrible at night. The only real benefit of that product was for 2D fans. I've parted ways no matter how good from 2D panels since the release of FS2k4. I surely won't go back in the era of FSX. If your going to give these guys credit let it be for the 2D panel alone. Sell the thing as a panel only and let people get their own visual model and sounds. Right now it's all hype when no work really went into anything outside of the panel. Charge people $25 for a great 2D panel (and that's a bit high). Don't market this thing as a full product with comparable prices to PMDG's 744, that's highway robbery... I guess if you guys will buy it why not make the money...For the record I've had nothing but great experiences with CoolSky/Flight1's MD80. Anyone having problems is in the minority. Maddog 2006 is by far not a comparable product to CoolSky's effort. That guy hand built everything (Sounds, visual model, VC, FDE, Avionics, etc).

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Mike, I'm with you on that. 100%... This MD82 sim is AMAZING.

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Outside of the price nothing else is really comparable (well maybe the 2D panels are all on the same level). You get a freeware visual model coupled with an excellent 2D panel, that's it.Based on that information I'll let you do your own comparison to what LVD and PMDG has given us.

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