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What is the best terrain package for fs2004?

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Hello,I have Ulimate terrain but removed t from my system due to the fact t seems to slow down loadng times. Also even after some updates t stll conflicts wth one of my most favorite arports KPDX by flightscenery.com . I am considerng getting the FSGenesis US 76.4m Terrain if people feel it is better. Also, what is the default fs9 terrain level at?Thanks in advance!

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you can not replace UT with FSGenesis. They are two totally different things. FSG is mesh. UT is scenery

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No. Mesh is height detail. ONLY that. It doesn't say if the peak has snow on it or if at some particular area should be woods texture or city texture.Scenery doesn't give height information, but just the opposite from mesh - scenery detail, autogen positioning, roads, coastlines, lakes, and many more detail.

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There should be a patch available at flightscenery.com for compatibility with UT. Also, it's important how you place your UT files in the FS9 scenery file selection. Your UT scenery should go below all the "air photo" scenery files.I suggest Ground Environment Pro to make everything look better. It replaces all textures everywhere, gives you great looking auto-gen, and fantastic night lighting.Genesis mesh is fantastic but, as mentioned, only handles elevation points. But what a difference it makes! Mountains look like mountains. Go to fsgenesis.com and try their free 76 meter mesh of BC, Canada and the 38 meter mesh Vancouver Island. Easy install and you'll be blown away!GE + UT + Genesis mesh = FS9 Deluxe.This is what GE Pro will do.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/GEc-130.jpgThis is GE Pro + Mesh + UT + Flight Environment.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/horsesass/best2.jpg

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Indeed a great combination transforms FS9 in whole other world with ASV :-)Andr

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There simply is nothing better than Ultimate Terrain used in conjunction Ground Evironment Pro. Together they are the reason I (and many, many others) see no reason to switch to FSX as they bring FS9 to life within the absolute limit of FS9If UT is too much for you then you can come close with GE Pro and Genesis Landclass and the old FS Road package. The only difference is that you will not get the magnificant UT night lighting. Mesh scenery is not included in any of the above packages. FS Genesis Mesh is the best out there and that is also a must have.

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What's your opinion of GE Pro vs Bird's Eye View, whch I have had for quite a while--might need a late St. Pat's day present. :>)

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Eric,What bi-plane is that. It looks like a beautiful panel. Thanks,Scott

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Acmech,Don't forget to try the Genesis mesh freebies!http://portal.fsgenesis.net/index.php?name...wdownload&cid=1As I said, try the free British Columbia 76 meter and the Vancouver 38 meter. The mountain terrain really comes alive. The Vermont and Maine 38 meter terrain is also really nice. I have both Canada and the US UT packages, and with GE Pro and UT on top of lots of mesh, it's outstanding.Test it out. Re-install UT and get some free mesh for the country it covers, find the right settings to get decent FPS, and guaranteed you'll have an fantastic flight.

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Thanks guys(-:!Although, nobody :-dohreally answered if FSGenesis US 76.4m Terrain if would be any good.Also, what is the default fs9 terrain level at:-hmmm?I have FSGenesis landclass and GE pro ground textures:-hah.The comb is a nice mix :-ufo2. I just want the terrain to look better:-bigangel. Also, in ulitmate terrain is there a way to change the color:-bluegrab of the lights that represent light poles or street lights. I know you:-kewl can choose the option in Ulitmate terrain but I don't like the effect .They look different colors almost like a large christmas tree effect:-sun1.I almost rather not have them :-abductsince the lights pop up all over the place which looks rather strange:-grnmd.

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"Although, nobody really answered if FSGenesis US 76.4m Terrain if would be any good."You got an answer. The answer was yes. Try the freebies and see for yourself.Scott,The bi-plane is the JustFlight Tiger Moth 30-day demo. Very nice but way too expensive to buy, $40+ US funds.

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The original terrain mesh for fs9 is about 1.2 km (1200 meter).Most mesh you can buy is 76m, ie FS Global (world), FS Terrain (Europe and US), though some areas are 36m. There is a technical limit within FS9 of about 10m I believe - thoughsomeone can correct me on this. All of these mesh are basedon the same set of original data from a measurement from ashuttle flight. You can get this "raw" data free from a site,though it contains a number of uncorrected problems, and comesin small sections that need to be all downloaded and installedmanually. The pay ware - you pay for the nice installation andthe bad bits corrected. In particular, there were problems in thealps with the original data.As for UT you uninstalled - you are probably unique withinthe FS world for not keep liking the results of this add on. RegardsTom

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GE Pro heads out BEV due to its ability for customization and the night lighting is a joy to behold. Not to mention that it is a GLOBAL scenery upgrade and not just restricted to the USA. The world will never look the same and for the price BEV is left far behind.Also, GE Pro is fully supported and current. The BEV developers seem to have gone away and all future products are on hold or canceled.Get GE Pro, you won't be sorry.

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Can Ultimate terrain be installed after GEPro? Does it affect UK? What about integration with major European airport packages like Megafrankfurt with some Franfurt landmarks and near area coverage?Thanks!

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I've just discovered I've got Ultimate Terrain USA DVD (still closed). So, my question is: does UT affect Land Class? I have RealScene 2004 installed with which I'm quite happy, mountains look real nice, combination of meshes and landclass.

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What is the correct order of installation:1. Meshes2. Land class3. Ultimate terrain4. Flight Environment PRO5. Ground Environment PROI'm still not sure about Land Class and Ultimate terrain packages. Can they live together?All the airports and more detailed areas should come onotop of the above?

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UT packages does effect landclass data. It contains....Roads,rail positions (ie not land class)ground landclass + special commercial landclassRiver landclass - to make these real water (you can land on them)Night lighting.I understand that you can use UT with other packages thathave landclass by setting the priority order in the scenery list.UT makes each installed component a different scenery object sothey can be ordered as required. The interface also allows youto turn on / off each scenery addon function anyway.As for the installation order - I understand that the order ofinstallation of mesh/textures/scenery does not matter as theseare different components and treated separately by the renderingengine. When you have a clash of objects (in your case landclass),then you can change the priority order in the scenery libraryand the highest priority object should be seen.My scenery objects in my library are ordered as...Mesh (pay ware addon)UT landclass (Europe)UT roads/rail (about 6 objects)Addon photographic scenery in USA/etc from bluesky (very high res!)Addon airports from (http://walhalla.mine.nu/fs2004.php)Note that I have not tested the order of the photographic sceneryand UT since I have USA photographic and Europe UT. I believethat the photographic should be above UT, but it does not matterin my case as they are separated by location. I am very happy the distinction as I do VFR from UT in Europe and helicopter practice in US around LAX where the photographic is about 1.2 meterand there are buildings to land/practice with. This is what I understand - so what other people say first :-)Regardstom

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Thank you so much, Tom. I guess there would be discrepancies had you installed Ultimate Terrain USA.You mentioned UT roads/rail (about 6 objects) - could you name the packages, please?Does default autogen interfere in your FS9 world?Many thanks,Dirk.

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Quick answer - coffee break at work...I will need to look at my computer at home to give you and exact list of objects.UT controls the placement of autogen, read the documentation andit gives you a good desciption of what it does. In fact I don;tfly with autogen.1) VFR : I am looking at the UT mesh2) helicopter, I use the bluesky stuff and that is much better thananything else I have seen available. RegardsTom

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Thanks again, Tom. When you have time pls let me know also why you refer to them as objects (European roads, railroads etc.). Anything special with them? Or they are just normal commercial add-ons for FS9.Dirk.

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