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Now that ACES has been mothballed, we all wonder when there will be a new version of FS released. While FSX is great program, there are still many, many people who will not be moving to FSX, in favor of staying with FS9, because with today's faster hardware, FS9 is more enjoyable than ever. What I'm trying to say is, FS9 is going to be a viable, money-making platform for all developers until the end of the financial crisis, when ACES is reopened. It only makes sense to continue to develop your payware products with both FS9 and FSX compatability. Under the current economic conditions, many of us are unlikely to upgrade our hardware any time soon, so staying with FS9 makes good financial sense. Eventually, we will want newer planes, scenery, etc. (that's where you come in), but will be unlikely to be able to purchase newer software because so many developers are moving to a "FSX Only" position. I urge to you revisit this decision if your company has decided to move in that direction. FS9 will continue to have a very strong fan base and following now more than ever, until we all have job security again, and can make that multi-thousand dollar computer upgrade purchase most of us need to be able to enjoy FSX.This is, of course, only my opinion. I am no economic expert, and I am biased toward FS9 because of my current financial situation. Naturally, every payware company has the right to only develop FSX products from here on; I am merely urging them to reconsider their decision, hoping that new FS9 products will continue to emerge to the benefit of both developer's and consumer's bottom line.Thanks for your consideration.:-)

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Hi rightseat. We are almost there for REX v.FS9 We are simmers as well, and fully understand. Plus I don't want to give up the thousands of dollars in payware add-ons I have for FS9 ;) as I still enjoy them.Cheers!

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From my post the day Microsoft made their announcement....Sad to see Phil but not unexpected given the current economic conditions.You, Hal, Z, Singer, and the rest of the guys at the Studio have done an outstanding job on your outreach to developers and the community.Thanks for all of your efforts and let's hope there is a turnaround at some point in the future.Meantime, Team Eaglesoft will continue to develop for both FS9 and FSX Platforms as they are the only game in town at this point. Let me add that FS9 and FSX are both viable simulator platforms in their own right. :(

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Rightseat, I agree 100%. My rig will run FSX nicely (I built it with FSX in mind), but I just haven't been able to get excited about it. I still prefer FS9. I have quite a few payware additions and I expect to add more IF the developers will continue to support FS9. I understand there's a lot more involved with FSX add-ons, not to mention financial considerations, than with FS9 and some developers don't feel it's worth satisfying two platforms. If add-on prices are deemed too high, sales and profits will suffer. I, for one, wouldn't mind paying a little more to ensure a choice betwixt the two, but I'm only one voice in the wilderness.Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth. I don't have the answers. I just know I prefer FS9 and would love to see continued development and improvement to a fine platform.Bob

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I've been "catching up" by buying many of the FS9 payware planes I never got around to owning. And there's several more still on my list. Anything new that gets developed for FS9 will also be eagerly scooped up.John

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Looking at the new library files on Avsim each day there are always considerably more FS9 files than FSX ones.I'm sure most payware developers can also see this and will come to the sensible conclusion that FS9 remains a very popular simulator and the demand remains for new addons, maybe more than ever now we know there is no new version of FS for the foreseeable future.

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I've been "catching up" by buying many of the FS9 payware planes I never got around to owning. And there's several more still on my list. Anything new that gets developed for FS9 will also be eagerly scooped up.John
I wonder if developers that are producing "FSX" products only, will change their mind and start looking at fs9 again. Now that FS11 is on hold, they may be forced too. Who knows?It appears their are still a few fs9 users out there.RJ

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"I wonder if developers that are producing "FSX" products only, will change their mind and start looking at FS9.1 again"I think it would be a Good Business decision to re-think their FSX Only now statements.My PC and FS9.1 will have to last me a little while longer yet in the current and foreseeable climate, not to mention the fact that like so many others out there I have invested far too much money in FS9.1 add-ons to just dump them.

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Hi.Since FSX has arrived, every single scenery we have released comes with two independent installers: one for FS9 and the other for FSX, at no extra charge.You order one, receive two.Double time to produce, double work to make each airport, double checks, double screenshots work, double compilation procedures, double SDKs to deal with, double stress charge, but... doubly satisfied users too :( This is how we'll continue to do things.My best regards,Carlos Pereira.www.tropicalsim.com

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You know a good test of this would be to ask companies who sell FS9 and FSX versions of the same product to see just how big the FS9 market is compared to FSX. I bet the FS9 market still compares very well with the FSX market.

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I agree with the original poster as I am a fan of FS9 too and it certainly does run well on modern hardware and with the environment addons look fantastic. However I read on the Aerosoft forum, a comment by Mathjis Kok that FS9 users are not buying addons that much any more so they are concentrating on FSX. He is, I think, referring specifically to scenery addons. Here's the quote:" . . . The FS9 market simply is not big enough anymore for these kinds of things. I know there are still many FS9 pilots around, we meet them daily and in their hundreds at shows and meetings. But they don't buy a lot anymore. FSX users tend to spend a lot more on addons. Of course that is logical to a point, but that does not change the fact that development for FS2004 is commercially very hard at this moment. . . . ".and the link:http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=22699. Edited to add link.

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But they don't buy a lot anymore. FSX users tend to spend a lot more on addons.
I have problems believing that statement. If I recall correctly Aerosoft were one of the first companies to start producing FSX only products very soon after the release of FSX. I'd even go so far as to say they seemed to ditch FS9 almost immediately after the release of FSX, and I believe I am right in saying they have produced not one FS9 aircraft since the release of FSX. If they don't produce so many FS9 products anymore and focus on FSX of course they are going to see more FSX sales! Aerosoft have never released FS9 versions of their new Beaver, Twin Otter, F-16, etc etc despite many requests from FS9 users.However, I have purchased all of the FS9 versions of their GAP2 series, and their Mega-Airport Series and I am happy they have continued to support FS9 with these products.

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First, I want to say thanks to the developers who replied to the post. To those fine folks I say, "Thanks for your support and additional expense!" Secondly, I would be amazed to see that FS9 drivers weren't buying payware as much. I don't think Aerosoft's spokesperson is lying, but perhaps folks that can afford addons, can also afford great rigs that can handle FSX? I don't know, but I do know that I'm still buying FS9 addons, albeit at a more diminished rate due to the terrible exchange rate and the economic situation.Thirdly, keep responding to this thread so we can keep it up top. Perhaps other devs will see it and chime in as well.All the best, and have a great weekend, FS9 warriors!

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I don't think Mathjis Kok is lying, I just don't think Aerosoft gave FS9 much of a chance after FSX was released. They were VERY quick to drop FS9 aircraft addons and focus solely on FSX aircraft. I suppose they believed that the FS customer base would quickly switch to the newer version (as has happened with previous releases), but of course we know a great many of us haven't switched to FSX for a great many reasons :)

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We will definitely continue along the FS9 path because it is still my favourite sim :(

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Hello, this will be my first post on avsim since we have now to register to read the forum, I think I can also participate in some conversation. Sorry if I make mistakes (grammatical or so) since English is not my native language.I just wanted to argument on that point : "Secondly, I would be amazed to see that FS9 drivers weren't buying payware as much. I don't think Aerosoft's spokesperson is lying, but perhaps folks that can afford addons, can also afford great rigs that can handle FSX? I don't know, but I do know that I'm still buying FS9 addons, albeit at a more diminished rate due to the terrible exchange rate and the economic situation"Yes, Aerosoft is certainly right in some way when they say that FS9 users are buying less that FSX users, for the reasons you state in this topic but I think there are more reasons. The more obvious (in my opinion) is that FS9 users that keeping up whith their favorite sim are on the market for a very long time, and they've already bought tons off add-ons, planes, sceneries, good or bad ones, anyway. So, now the sim is almost like they always wanted it to be. And in the present, and for the future, they simply take their time to think and choose what to buy. Is it really worth it, and will this new add-on simply mess up my sim if I install it now without knowing more about it? Also, on the other side, there is a so large and well stocked free market for FS9, I know some simmers improving their sim experience with only freeware. So passionnated people can turn their sim exactly the way they want whitout paying a cent. The conclusion of that is, when you already have all that you want/need/like, why spend a lot more money for it instead it really worth it? Like a paradoxe, our passion and the way we "cherish" our sim may be one of the reasons why FS9 add-ons are selling less than before. And also cost living is higher nowadays, most of us know that. That's was my waffle on this topic. Also many many thanks to add-ons developpers that are continuing to support FS9 (I can see many of them, and not the least in this forum). Hope this will last a very long time. Alain

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There is an interesting poll on the Maddog2008 forum of which sim you use.Last time I checked over two thirds still used FS9 (like me).So they have sold lots which they wouldn't have sold otherwise, unlike Coolsky, who dropped FS9 (at their cost).Long live MSFS2004 :( ps. I have continued to buy all of Aerosofts excellent sceneries for FS9. Also it seems that their best selling product over the last couple of years (without any doubt) is AES. Isn't this FS9 only????

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There is an interesting poll on the Maddog2008 forum of which sim you use.Last time I checked over two thirds still used FS9 (like me).
Same for PMDG, I think you'll find any poll in a high end airliner forum will favour fs9. Even strong fsx users maintain fs9 for airliner ops. Perhaps in time those persons will drop fs9 as they upgrade. Perhaps then the picture will change.FSX is the superior platform upon which to build, no question - it's limits are far beyond those of fs9. If indeed we do not see a new sim, it can only get better over the years as fs9 did. A mature fsx, tamed by hardware, will be a dream platform regardless of anyone's preferred type of flying.

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I don't believe that Mathjis Kok was lying but was disheartened to read the comment, but as omeone above pointed out, it may be due to Aerosoft's favouring of FSX ver FS9 that has skewed the sales figures. As it happens, most of their FSX products are also available in FS9 anyway. The way I see it is that we are left with two good but not perfect versions of FS in FS9 and FSX. Both have their proponents and I hope that both will be supported by third party developers for a long time to come. Although I still favour FS9, I'm sure that the potential of FSX will eventually be realised by adon developers, and that's great news or people like me who have yet to move over to FSX. There's plenty of life in the old FS girl yet!

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Funny, isn't it. Mathijs Kok is right to a certain degree, but it's his own doing... Months ago he posted more or less the same comments and I responded, make FS9 products and people will buy them! I even pitched some ideas, but no response whatsoever. It's only logical that if you're biased towards FSX that FS9 will do worse. What a clever guy he is... I've always had respect for Aerosoft, but that comment rubbed me the wrong way. It's like Cloud9 and their arrogant "Pure FSX only code" nonsense. They're pretty much done now... The FSDreamTeam spin-off embraced both platforms and continues to do so, releasing excellent quality sceneries for both sims with more in the pipeline (KLAS, KDFW)...Personally speaking, I continue to buy FS9 addons and will continue to do so as long as developers release interesting products. I'm especially interested in quality sceneries, but with the FS series on pause, it's an ideal time to look at some ideas that may not have been feasible in the past with a new version of the sim on the horizon every couple of years.And I'll never upgrade to FSX. :(

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HiFi has attempted to meet the demands of both versions and will try to do so in the future.

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I'm another FS9-only simmer with a year-old computer that will happily run any combination of FS9 add-ons well into the foreseeable future. I continue to buy newly-released sceneries and aircraft (and some oldies, too), and suspect that I'm not a minority in doing so. I respect Aerosoft's decision to develop aircraft only for FSX at this point, but I really believe that they and Level-D are missing a sizable chunk of the market with this approach. The only thing keeping me from dropping $80 on the new FS9 version of PMDG's MD-11 is the potential OOM problem, since I don't want to change OS's at this point. Otherwise, these days it's (new FS9 release = get out the credit card = hope the wife doesn't notice).

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