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David Roch

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QUESTION: Is this Jetstream an FMS ONLY model or will there be a conventional GPS from FSX installed? Or Both?Stan

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since there are no 2d panels I imagine it's FMC all the way.

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Frame rates are just fabulous for this kind of complex machine.Something like a Carenado product !! Just unbelievable.It's also Dx10 fully compatible.Very nice job.

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The BAe Jetstream 4100 is available for purchase!More details here
From the description I don't see mention of any 2D cockpit or popups or multiplayer shared cockpit compatibility, any word ony any of those?

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It has 2D panels for the ramp manager, FMC and the autopilot controls on the centre pedestal. It's also configured for the Reality XP Weather radar, so that it fits into the VC. I assume the RXW radar 2D panel will also be available if you've got it installed. Other than that it's VC only.

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Jay,No one tested it with shared cockpit that I know of. As for 2D panels, there are none. The decision was made early on to go as purely VC as possible, and the result was that the only popus are for the Ramp Manager (which handles ground animations and doors) and the FMS. I've been a "VC guy" for years, and this is the best VC I've ever seen -- there were several beta testers who had never flown from a VC before the JS4100 and their reaction initially was "hard to get used to", but within a few days, they were convinced that the VC is the way to go.Incidentally, the gauges in the VC are all 3D, which makes them very, very smooth -- this is not your father's virtual cockpit.

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Tks for the replies, looks like a pass on this one. Someday dev's will realize the cockpits have 2 seats.

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----------As for 2D panels, there are none. The decision was made early on to go as purely VC as possible, and the result was that the only popus are for the Ramp Manager (which handles ground animations and doors) and the FMS. I've been a "VC guy" for years, and this is the best VC I've ever seen -- there were several beta testers who had never flown from a VC before the JS4100 and their reaction initially was "hard to get used to", but within a few days, they were convinced that the VC is the way to go.Incidentally, the gauges in the VC are all 3D, which makes them very, very smooth -- this is not your father's virtual cockpit.
If there's no 2D, it's not for me!Alex ReidHere's why. (Fokker 100 near Juneau AK)

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A very interesting addon. I might just get it as I hear one of the PMDG team flew this thing so the detail is pretty mental :( Never seen one in real life but I saw its older brother the J31...the pregnant one! (belly cargo pod)

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Incidentally, the gauges in the VC are all 3D, which makes them very, very smooth -- this is not your father's virtual cockpit.
Well, except for the "glass" of course... :( It appears to be another outstanding release! :(

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If there's no 2D, it's not for me!Here's why. (Fokker 100 near Juneau AK)
OK, nice shots. But this is horrible perspective. As a real life pilot I find 2D panels so twisting the perspective that later when I transition to real aircraft I find my sim flying totally alien and unhelpful in my real life flying. And this GPS in the Fokker 100 :( - not my cup of tea.

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OK, nice shots. But this is horrible perspective. As a real life pilot I find 2D panels so twisting the perspective that later when I transition to real aircraft I find my sim flying totally alien and unhelpful in my real life flying. And this GPS in the Fokker 100 :( - not my cup of tea.
Couldn't agree more.

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I've been flying since 1970 and not once in all that time have I found that "2D panels so twisting the perspective that later when I transition to real aircraft I find my sim flying totally alien and unhelpful in my real life flying" The day my sim flying even remotly affects my real life flying is the last day I fly a sim. I'm with Alex on this, I don't care how good the plane is or who makes it. I use both VC and 2D and to have 1/2 my options limited means my resources (money) go elseware. It's a shame because I try to support every developer who makes a quality product, and their MD11 is one of my favorites.

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OK, nice shots. But this is horrible perspective. As a real life pilot I find 2D panels so twisting the perspective that later when I transition to real aircraft I find my sim flying totally alien and unhelpful in my real life flying. And this GPS in the Fokker 100 :( - not my cup of tea.
The Fokker freeware leaves a bit to be desired in the panel. In fact almost all 2D panels were designed for a single monitor-hence the use of popups to conserve monitor real estate. What is needed are 2D panels designed to take advantage of the space available with multiple monitors. The scenery design & organization in Flight Simulator works extremely well with the extra width that monitors 2 & 3 generate- but the airplane designers have yet to catch up & take advantage.Panning and Zooming to me is far more unrealistic as the means of creating a "real life"view, than are the current 2D panels.I'll argue that when the chips are down, I'll choose VIEW and sacrifice panel fidelity. That was the case with the Air Canada 767 "Gimli Glider" that got down safely after running out of fuel. No electrical power except RAT BUT they had VIEW!C'mon designers- wake up to the 2D panel potential in multi monitor sim arrangements!Alex ReidBonanza on final for CYVR R8L. All that monitor space and not yet a good integrated 2D panel to make use of it!

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Truly embarrassed to say...but I'm not "fluent" with the FMS navigation. I know...I should be, but I'm not. Guess I finally have to learn it, don't I?Stan

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This is another amazing add-on from PMDG but I'm a little disappointed with the framerates. From what they were talking about leading up to release I was expecting something really smooth but it's not that much better than the F1 Mustang or MD-11, FPS-wise.-Alex

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Truly embarrassed to say...but I'm not "fluent" with the FMS navigation.
Stan, which aircraft are you referring to? In something like a lower flying turboprop (JS4100) there is even less need for an FMS - you can get by flying visually (on short legs) or just follow VORs. But in terms of complexity of an FMS - the JS4100 is equipped with a relatively simple FMS, much simpler then what you find in Boeings, Airbuses and Embraers so if you ever wanted to learn one - this would be a perfect one to tackle.

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C'mon designers- wake up to the 2D panel potential in multi monitor sim arrangements!Alex ReidBonanza on final for CYVR R8L. All that monitor space and not yet a good integrated 2D panel to make use of it!
AlexI've noticed you to take every opportunity to showcase your fancy panel setup :( While I appreciate your enthusiasm for multi screen 2D panel setups, your way is not the way to go for the very large majority. Being a real-world flyer too I can say what you see you in front of you is nothing like the 2D panel setup you have. It may well be comfortable for you, but please do not imply it's the only way to go.Did you know that by flying only the 2D panel setup your missing out on a lot of modern features that make the experience so much more realistic, such as many kinds of turbulence and latency effects and like with the L39, icing and fogging effects?Did you know that ANY 3D cockpit can also be flown in multi-screen? Check this video. Combine that with something like Track IR. Wow!

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Wow one of the best looking VC's EVER!!Being a TH2Go & TiR user I haven't used 2d panels in years, I used to re-size the 2d panels to fit but it just doesn't do it for me anymore. The way PMDG has done the VC in the JS41 is the way it should be done at least for my configuration.

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