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Well, good for Pete Dowson. He deserves to make something for what he does. FSUIPC is an amazingly useful piece of software, working away in the background. I made my own thottles, and they wouldn't work properly without it.

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I did not make a donation to Pete, because I knew this would be the out come. I will be the first to buy once he has sorted it all out. I would like to say that if pete had of decided to keep it free/donation ware i would of certinly made a donation of

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I have no problems with it as long as the price is reasonable. He deserves to be compensated for his hard work.

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yeah good for him, i would have done this loooooong time ago if i were him, ill be the first to purchase thisciao!Brian S

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Honestly I don't use any of the features of FSUIPC, except what is required by some of the freeware and payware things I use. I disable all the features that it enables by default. My joystick calibrates just fine without FSUIPC and I do not understand why everyone reccomends using it to calibrate their joysticks.I don't understand why FS doesn't have whater FSUIPC has that is needed for third party apps to talk to and control FS.

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>>History teaches us that this thread has the potential to go into the pooper pretty quickly. If history repeats itself in this thread, our mods will relegate it to the pooper as fast as you can say 'corn cob'. So, please... let's keep it civil, adult, and rational.

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I fully agree with you on this. Mr. Dowson started his series just for the "heck of it", for fun. Now, some programmers base some aspects of their applications on the functionalities provided by FSUIPC and other of Mr. Dowson's programs.This creates a captive market where some applications might not work properly without this exterior resource. Bummer! :-violin

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Since I and several other developers knew Pete was headed in this direction, we've been working on alternatives so at least some types of freeware packages can continue to be developed and used by the community without any additional cost. There is no replacing the functionality of Pete's work, but I am at least satisfied that Pete can succeed, and we also can succeed as freeware developers. I hope those who use his product for purposes other than add-ons do support him, and I hope he rewards those who've donated to him by waiving any fees that he deems appropriate. My firewall blocks the link, so I don't know what specifics he offers, if any at this early stage.So going into this "sight unseen", good luck Pete!

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Same here. I really don't use FSUIPC for anything except for add-ons that require it. Hopefully companies that use it will develop an alternative to make their product function, because I won't be paying extra for it.[table][tr][td rowspan=2]http://timbo87.home.attbi.com/sig/valiant.gif[/td][td]

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The amount of development work and support time required of Pete certainly deserves compensation. For those who think that his work going payware is unfair, they can simply not spend their money on his products. We each have that choice.Regards,

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Hi Tim,I don't think it would actually result in a higher price. All add-ons appear to be within a standard price range, presumably because that's the price the market supports, and generates the best revenue.However, if the price were to rise, it would do so, whichever option the developers choose. They could either spend more time on developing an alternative (for which they would like to be compensated, I guess), or pay a small licence fee to Pete Dowson, which would save them a lot of time. Either way, the outcome is the same.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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"don't understand why FS doesn't have whater FSUIPC has that is needed for third party apps to talk to and control FS."FS does have that. FSUIPC is simply an interface (albeit one with a lot of useful features) that talks to FS. How does it do it? Close to the same manner that a gauge does. But his interface offers more than a gauge--I believe Pete works his.....off, researching the ever changing offsets required to read and write FS2002's internals.Payware companies owe Pete--and who knows--perhaps Pete has collected from them. Those who depend on his product, and haven't paid him anything should, as their profits are based on his work.Freeware authors--we're left in a bind. We don't want to tell our users that they have to purchase a third party product. But wait a minute--isn't that what's required in order to use a repaint for a Dreamfleet work, or Flight1, or Eaglesoft? You have to look at it both ways.So we're working on alternatives--modules we can drop into FS, and use to support our applications. And, we're having some success. Anyone can talk to FS--you just have to know how to make "it" listen :)

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"This creates a captive market where some applications might not work properly without this exterior resource."The way I look at it now, all my users are required to purchase FS. They ARE a captive market. Consider FSUIPC just another feature of FS, same way we have FS2002 Standard and FS2002 Pro. And I don't have any sympathy for payware vendors that based their work on Pete's.

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Good for Peter...!The price will be set by what the market will be dictate. If he only sells one the first week the price WILL come down. I will buy one why not look at all the other junk I buy that is simply worthless. At least this product works and well. I have been using FSUIPC for free for ages. It's about time I gave a little back. Pete is a good guy and a hard worker. Tony

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well im happy with both the way they are now they satisfy my needs. so ill just keep teh zips of the freeware.Too bad it had to go payware.. so many devlopers rely on it.

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Everyone has a choice. There is netpipes SDK that allows to do some of the work that FSUIPC does, I think that there is some further work over it. It's up to the developers choose what they want. Of course there is a large percentage of utilities based on FSUIPC and some aircraft because it's easier to use it. Pete has posted an E-Mail for developers to contact him and get a document explaining what will happen for freeware and payware app.Jos

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I have absolutely no probelm paying for FSUIPC - it enables so many great addon packages to be produced that the cost will be more than justified for me. What I want to know though, is whether the updates to the module will be free once you pay for it once? Pete released quite a few updates to FSUPIC durring the course of FS2002's lifecycle...I agree though with the poster who said Microsoft should have just bought the rights to FSUPIC from Pete or even hired him as a permanent new member of the FS team.Ryan

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"If he only sells one the first week the price WILL come down"The price rarely ever comes down. The product just fads into obvilion.Dennis

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The only thing I ever used it for was the.....come to think of it, I rarely use it for anything but AFCAD modeling, and who knows if that will work in FS2004. Oh well. Like I say, nothing is free on the net any longer. Hmmm...maybe I need to start charging for my site. :)

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> I just wish MS would see sense and pay-you. :-lol :-lol Yeah!! What world do you live in?? Microsoft paying someone for something...right!!

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WideFS is helpful for me. I run all my addons on a second computer.scott s..

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>WideFS is helpful for me. I run all my addons on a second>computer.Huh? :-hmmm

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To all developers out there, be informed that I have just recently completed development of a new addon for MSFS called FSConnect. It's a DLL much like FSUIPC that gets loaded into Flight Simulator's address space, and communicates with third party programs to provide access to simulator and aircraft data. At this point it provides full "read" capabilities for all variables defined in the Panels & Gauges SDK, and limited "write" capability (currently only Latitude and Longitude).The program is currently undergoing beta testing, and will be released as freeware once FS2004 is released. Do to the way I've written the program, I anticipate little or no updating of the program will be required to deal with new flight simulator releases (unless MS completely redesigns the P&G SDK!!).Interested developers feel free to contact me.Russ Dirksrussdirks@yahoo.ca

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