HI all looks like cls new plane is the B767 this is in no way a system heavy level d its for people that want a light systems simple package. let me know what you guys think.http://www.justflight.com/developProduct.asp?pid=469

HI all looks like cls new plane is the B767 this is in no way a system heavy level d its for people that want a light systems simple package. let me know what you guys think.http://www.justflight.com/developProduct.asp?pid=469

The VC looks pretty good :( Regards.Ernie.

The VC looks pretty good :( Regards.Ernie.

The vc looks great Ernie, and it looks familiar hmm :(

If they ensure I can merge it with the level D

I would have rather them put this kind of detail into an updated version of their A300/310. Can you imagine how that would have been. How many 767's do we need?

My god... CS, Level-D, and don't forget the freeware alternatives. See, this is what I hate. 767 after 767 are suddenly emerging and I don't see why. Indeed, let them update their A300/A310 instead, or let them make something that hasn't been done before at all. Still loads of planes out there that are not done for FS yet.

My god... CS, Level-D, and don't forget the freeware alternatives. See, this is what I hate. 767 after 767 are suddenly emerging and I don't see why. Indeed, let them update their A300/A310 instead, or let them make something that hasn't been done before at all. Still loads of planes out there that are not done for FS yet.

Couldn't agree more. Even something commercially viable like a triple7. What about a Be146 with a VC . . lots asking for one of these. Loads of other possibilities. Come on CLS . . the world's your oyster.

Yes we have the Captainsim B767 but it is only for fsx, we have the great level D 767 but it is a heavy systems airliner, we have the payware Boeing overland package that has the B767-300 with a simple vc but for some reason not to many liverys compared to the airbus package.We then have the beautiful posky 767 v5 being made now and the old v4 version but they don't have virtual cockpits, or light systems so in a way I can see why they wanted to make a f-lite Boeing 767 package remember you have to realise this is a whole package some people just don't want to deal with heavy systems or putting together the sounds panels and liveries and models together the just want to simply install and fly I personally think it will sell good I believe there are far more people that like light systems then heavy stuff don't get me wrong I like the heavy systems stuff but of course there are people that don't have to much time. of course I would have preferred a beautiful updated A300 with detailed vc.

Yes we have the Captainsim B767 but it is only for fsx, we have the great level D 767 but it is a heavy systems airliner

Heavy Systems Airliner... :( Last time I checked all newer Airliners are not that complicated to get into. If we were talking about a 727, MD80, or DC10 I could see your point but modern airliners are so much more simplistic to operate it's laughable to feel people need something lighter. If you can startup the APU, turn packs off to start engines, and operate the autopilot (which essentially operates no different than the default autopilot) there's not that much 'Heavy Systems' to worry about. Surely you don't mean operating the TCAS or weather radar is that big of a deal or maybe it's the FMC which basically downloads the FS flight plan that you feel is the problem (only PMDG and Leonardo do you have to manually punch in the flightplan). The DreamFleet 727 is a beast to get into same goes for the Leonardo MD80 (at first), SSTSIM's Concord, SSW's A310, and Ready for Pushback's 742 (the hardest bird I've ever used in FS). Anything with three pilots is a challenge if the model is realistic... Aircraft like the 757/767, 744, Airbus A320/330 series, and 737NG aren't that complicated (the things practically land themselves).

All newer Airliners are not that complicated to get into. If we were talking about a 727, MD80, or DC10 I could see but modern airliners are so much more symplistic to operate it laughable to feel people need something lighter. If you can startup the APU, turn packs off to start engines, and operate the autopilot (which esentually operates like the default autopilot) there's not that much 'Heavy Systems' to worry about. Surely you don't mean operating the TCAS or weather radar is that big of a deal or maybe it's the FMC which basically downloads the FS flight plan that's the problem (only PMDG and Leonardo do you have to manually punch in the flightplan). The DreamFleet 727 is a beast to get into same goes for the Leonardo MD80 (at first), SSTSIM's Concord, SSW's A310, and Ready for Pushback's 742 (the hardest bird I've ever used in FS). Aircraft like the 757/767, 744, Airbus A320/330 series, and 737NG aren't that complicated (the things practically land themselves).

Yes that's true Les some of the old birds are hard due to the fact that you have to do everything manually but I don't think many understand the fms so they give up fast I could Imagine trying to get the concord up and running lol.

Yes that's true Les some of the old birds are hard due to the fact that you have to do everything manually but I don't think many understand the fms so they give up fast I could Imagine trying to get the concord up and running lol.

Come on, the FMS is child's play that's why it's standard in Airliners now. In the real world actual pilots never or maybe rarely manually enter in routes, they download them (from the perspective airline's database I guess). How it's done with PMDG and Level-D is not really what's required. Captainsim or any other add-on that allows you to download FS's internal flight plans is more so how it's done in the real world. FMC's in FS don't have to account for the things the real one's do like aloft wind speed etc, you can leave those fields blank. A basic setup is all one really needs in the confines of FS. All one has to do is come in here and we'll walk them threw it in 4 easy steps. They may not understand what everything means at first but they'll know the right info to punch in to get a flight plan on the ND screen for the aircraft to follow (and skip getting harassed by default ATC). Once aloft the plane basically flies itself the whole route...Before someone asks here's the steps:1. Enter position info 2. Call up FS route and load it in3. Put in weight and cruise altitude4. Put in takeoff flaps setting and hit the Activate buttonOptional: Takeoff runway can be entered in (explanation upon request) same goes for entering landing runway when cleared for approach...It's not that hard...

CLS could build the 787 Dreamliner, as they're not too heavy into systems simulation.By looking at the screenshots the external model is a bit out of proportion when compared to the LVLD 767. I won't buy one.

Come on, the FMS is child's play that's why it's standard in Airliners now. All one has to do is come in here and we'll walk them threw it in 4 easy steps. They may not understand what everything means at first but they'll know the right info to punch in to get a flight plan on the ND screen. Before someone asks here's the steps:1. Enter position info 2. Call up FS route and load it in3. Put in weight and cruise altitude4. Put in takeoff flaps setting and hit the Activate buttonOptional: Takeoff runway can be entered in (explanation upon request) same goes for entering landing runway when cleared for approach...It's not that hard...

Its not that easy to a novice/beginner.- How would a novice know what position info to enter ?- Not all FMS's use the FS route, a few have their own format and do not support the FS format. That is more difficult than have have been made accustomed to by the default GPS. They don't have to do anything with the default GPS, its there as soon as they load it in the FS Planner. They just press the GPS button and it does the rest.- how does a beginner know the appropriate flaps for takeoff. They don't get past these things the Activate prompt does not display. And if you try and takeoff with the wrong flaps an alarm may start blaring.And they still have to know how to activate LNAV to get it to fly their route , and some FMS's if they are somewhat realistic LNAV will not activate unless they are first on an intercept heading. A beginner/novice is not flying a route with an Aircraft that has a FMS without first spending a little quality time with the Manual.It may seem easy because you have experience with it. but Novices draw a blank when they see all those buttons on the FMS.CLS has the right idea, it works pretty much like the default planes, that's what some users want. Regards.Ernie.

CLS has the right idea, it works pretty much like the default planes, that's what some users want. Regards.Ernie.

I guess I can agree with you here for the most part concerning the FMS and novice users but do we really need another 767? I have most of CLS's aircraft for the vary reason you mention here, their ease of use especially in the case of the 742. Here you have an outstanding bird both inside and out without all the complication. Trust me if you've ever used the Ready For Pushback 742 you'd understand why it needed three people in the cockpit (you might not want to understand as that was one complicated add-on to get used to). You'd also appreciate greatly how far we've come with technology in our latest airliners. I'd love for CLS to do birds like the 727, 707, DC8 etc without all the complication but a 767 is like seeing yet another KORD and/or KLAX. It's like Imaginesim's proposed VHHH when there's an outstanding freeware version available and most have moved themselves and their AI over to the old Kai Tak after Fly Tampa's outstanding rendition of Kowloon Bay (Runway 13 is still world famous to this day).

... but do we really need another 767?

A Lite one like CLS does ? yes I believe so. LevelD is great, but the 'Lite' crowd is just not into that level of systems simulation. >I'd love for CLS to do birds like the 727, 707, DC8 etc without all the complication but a 767 is like seeing yet another KORD and/or KLAX. I hear ya, I agree. But to be fair to CLS they have done 2 classic models already (DC10 - 742).But a 767,747,737 IMO is still going to sell better than those classic models, even if the market is glutted with them.In the end its about what sells.Regards.Ernie.