"does the aircraft include complete system control without the mouse or not?"Yes Walt it does allow all functions to be controlled without a mouse where there is a default key assigned to that function , in addition there are pitot covers , wheel chocks and intake covers to answer another posters question .

"does the aircraft include complete system control without the mouse or not?"Yes Walt it does allow all functions to be controlled without a mouse where there is a default key assigned to that function , in addition there are pitot covers , wheel chocks and intake covers to answer another posters question .

It wasn't a question. It was a statement of omission. One upon which I am happy to stand corrected on the fact, but vindicated by its omission. Perhaps FSD might like to inform ALL your potential customers of these features? There is no mention of them anywhere on the FSD website. So now we wonder what else is missing, or not included, or included but simply not stated..?Is this really the way to release a product? It's a digital age, for a digital product. Why is there no professionally-compiled feature video? Why, we might even learn whether this aircraft is equipped with a custom soundset or merely aliased - again there's not a single mention on the promotional page and like another poster, I'm not bothered about joining another forum to ask a question which should be blatantly obvious for any prospective purchaser.These are potentially quite calamitous errors when the developer thinks they are sailing close to the wind of a price point... A quick marketing lesson:`Price is a mathematical absolute. Quality a relative expression against a defined baseline. But only when understood together do they make sense of the `Value For Money` equation...` :(

"does the aircraft include complete system control without the mouse or not?"Yes Walt it does allow all functions to be controlled without a mouse where there is a default key assigned to that function , in addition there are pitot covers , wheel chocks and intake covers to answer another posters question .

Thank you.

A few more questions.Is the instrument panel on the downloaded package as empty as shown on the FSD site or am I looking at beta pictures?I see no controls for cabin pressuration. I do see four knobs that look like car air conditioning controls but they are not labeled as to function. I also see a set of four rocker switches under the MFD but no function labeling either.Are the three square holes in the middle of the panels above the displays warning and caution annunciator lights.I do realize that the real aircraft is still in design but the standby instruments and autopilot on the FSD version are in a strange place.

A few more questions.

We offer a several options for you to contact us and get prompt and effective support. Whilst we are happy to assist you, based on recent events our providing support or much in the way of information in this venue will be considered a violation of one house rule or another and for that reason this is not the right place to seek product support. The right place to get support is from us direct. Beyond that, we would need to know whom we are liaising with when providing support and that's not something we can do when users conceal their identities and post anonymously.Please feel free to contact us by email or via our established support forum where your inquiry will receive prompt attention.

Pedantically, might one (who you DO know...) just point out that your reply is still a reply to an `anonymous` potential purchaser.... You might have used fewer words just answering the questions rather than chasing forum traffic to your own (heavily-ruled) forum to pursue some petty argument with Avsim moderators. Isn't that what email or established contact routes are for?This `attitudinous` approach to customer - or worse still, POTENTIAL customer - relations is hardly likely to endear you to prospective purchasers. A number of valid questions have been raised by members of this forum and if you choose to be here, yet not answer them can you really expect anyone to chase the answers through different fora or mediums?Allow me: The Cirrus SJ50 is expected to feature a fully-automated pressurisation system, requiring no active input from the pilot. One would hope that this is modelled in the FSD example which specifically refers to `Pressurized Cabin` in the literature, albeit without further explanation. BTW, your Christmas message on your website now makes it even more difficult for anyone to find out anything about the Cirrus, and any visitor not having had the benefit of foreknowledge would not be able to discover the Cirrus has been released unless they stumble on the page by accident. The `Products` page still show the P38 as the latest release.Still not being convinced about this even though I've been to the website, watched the forums here and elsewhere and had direct dialogue with the development team. C'mon, you guys need to sell it to us and stop obfuscating and excusing.

Snave and Walt90:With all due respect, maybe this particular aircraft release isn't for you? I see plenty of stuff which doesn't bowl me over, and I just don't buy it. I don't hammer the developers with a bunch of questions and criticisms of their marketing methods. It's not worth my time, and I suspect that with the very niche nature of the MSFS market that the developers need to focus on development and offering support to their existing customers. Some developers have slick sites and do a great job of presenting their products, some not so much. FSD has a reputation for solid aircraft with great flight models.I usually wait for forum reactions and reviews and look for a general consensus on a release. if I'm really interested but have some questions, I'll join the forums and ask a question or two of other customers. If I have doubts, I don't purchase. There's plenty of other fish in the sea and planes in the air.There's also the option of companies such as Flight1 which provide a satisfaction guarantee.Your posts portray a sense of entitlement which I just don't get. Seriously. Let it go. No one's forcing you to buy this thing.

Snave and Walt90:With all due respect, maybe this particular aircraft release isn't for you? I see plenty of stuff which doesn't bowl me over, and I just don't buy it. I don't hammer the developers with a bunch of questions and criticisms of their marketing methods. It's not worth my time, and I suspect that with the very niche nature of the MSFS market that the developers need to focus on development and offering support to their existing customers. Some developers have slick sites and do a great job of presenting their products, some not so much. FSD has a reputation for solid aircraft with great flight models.I usually wait for forum reactions and reviews and look for a general consensus on a release. if I'm really interested but have some questions, I'll join the forums and ask a question or two of other customers. If I have doubts, I don't purchase. There's plenty of other fish in the sea and planes in the air.There's also the option of companies such as Flight1 which provide a satisfaction guarantee.Your posts portray a sense of entitlement which I just don't get. Seriously. Let it go. No one's forcing you to buy this thing.

Well said...

As the OP, let me just make a few more observations (some fact, some views);Walt; the aircraft uses default FSX offsets as it's basis for all controls and assignments (that I've come across so far). So the G1000 works will all of the standard FSX assignments for the G1000 equipped default planes in FSX. Similarly, default assignments for battery, avionics, etc, all work with hardware. because they're all tied to standard FSX functions. I do not think you will be disappointed with this aircraft if one of your criteria for buying add-ons is (like mine) that they are compatible with hardware for at least the most important functions (for example, I strictly do not buy any add-ons that demand sole use of turning the heading bug with a mouse..... that's not where I am in controlling my airplane! :( )So this is a good release for hardware controlability, to be fair not because FSD have invested tonnes of development into hardware compatibility but because it is a farly light offering, based on standard FSX functionality. If a 737 were to be released that used the default FSX AP (ie... no VNAV of FL CH, only VS), I would never buy it. But for GA and for this type of aircraft (which isn't even yet certified and may never be!), I'm more forgiving and I am happy to pay the low price that I believe FSD are charging and getting the benefits - an unusual and quite pleasant VC, that good hardware compatibility, good FPS performance, and something a little different. As Tim pointed out, the other thing I like about this is the fact that the default G1000 can be replaced very easily in the VC, because the 'gauge space' provided in the model is such that any rectangular two screen glass solution (ie.... an alternative, more detailed G1000) can be put into this aircraft very easily. I own the CLS G1000 (not brilliant but not bad) and so will soon try putting this into the FSD Cirrus Vision, to see if the upgrade works well.I agree that expectations need to be realistic for a $26 add-on. In the UK the exchange rate with the dollar is improving and I paid

Davido,Thank you for this excellent review. We hope you continue to enjoy your Vision.I think you are right about the FADEC for the engine indicators. I have programmed these before and I will incorporate these into the system in the next couple of days. The V ref indicators on the airspeed display...I will check into this.Keep the blue on top!Tim DickensFlightSim Developers

Hi Tim,Great that you're up for looking at the FADEC - personally, for the price point, I wouldn't expect advanced N1 management or flight phase detents, etc - I'd be really happy with a solution to somehow prevent any 'red' indications on the engine display, even if this was achieved through configuring the G1000's displays so that the 'limit' for N1 (which results in the 'red') was set high enough that max throttle doesn't lead to a 'red'.What I'm trying to explain (poorly!) is that let's say for example that max N1 in the Vision, with the throttle firewalled in 101%, if you could set the limit in the G1000 config to 105%, we'd lose the 'red' warnings. Hope this makes sense?Again, it will be great if we lose the incorrect 'Amber' and 'Red' bands on the speed tap as discussed - this baby doesn't want to max out at 170 KIAS! You can get a good rate of climb at 220 :( Cheers,Davido.

Davido,Thank you for your insite into the SF50 and help with my questions.Yesterday I sent another support request to FSD. As suspected, still NO reply.

Snave and Walt90:With all due respect, maybe this particular aircraft release isn't for you? I see plenty of stuff which doesn't bowl me over, and I just don't buy it. I don't hammer the developers with a bunch of questions and criticisms of their marketing methods. It's not worth my time, and I suspect that with the very niche nature of the MSFS market that the developers need to focus on development and offering support to their existing customers. Some developers have slick sites and do a great job of presenting their products, some not so much. FSD has a reputation for solid aircraft with great flight models.I usually wait for forum reactions and reviews and look for a general consensus on a release. if I'm really interested but have some questions, I'll join the forums and ask a question or two of other customers. If I have doubts, I don't purchase. There's plenty of other fish in the sea and planes in the air.There's also the option of companies such as Flight1 which provide a satisfaction guarantee.Your posts portray a sense of entitlement which I just don't get. Seriously. Let it go. No one's forcing you to buy this thing.

Actually this DOES interest me. But the confusion over features and lack of concern to answer potential customers queries gives me pause. FSD do NOT offer a money back guarantee and therefore any dissatisfaction with the purchase would be down to me, and me alone. Precisely why I want to find answers to my questions, and commitment to correcting the mistakes I already noted. There may be others.I hardly think it fair to blame someone who is attempting to educate themselves to avoid falling into a trap when the purchase is final and the support from this company is renowned for the sharpness already demonstrated in their dealings in this forum. The fact that I am a marketing professional mean I focus on the failings of the marketing. If I were a painter and decorator I might concentrate on whether they have the correct hues for the paint job, a musician might focus on the sounds which we don't know about and a potential Cirrus SJ owner might be interested in the interior - or the pressurisation. The absence of a `slick site` means that more question need answering than would be the case if they had simply thought about their marketing before release. In my world sloppy marketing nearly always means a sloppy product and second-rate service - that means more questions need be asked to make the correct decision.If you don't like the topic because questions are being asked then you can always ignore it and make your choices based on what others tell you. By the way, the moon is made of cheese... it IS, I'm telling you! :( As for plenty of fish in the sea: Name one other single-engine private jet available from a payware developer?

Actually this DOES interest me. But the confusion over features and lack of concern to answer potential customers queries gives me pause. FSD do NOT offer a money back guarantee and therefore any dissatisfaction with the purchase would be down to me, and me alone. Precisely why I want to find answers to my questions, and commitment to correcting the mistakes I already noted. There may be others.I hardly think it fair to blame someone who is attempting to educate themselves to avoid falling into a trap when the purchase is final and the support from this company is renowned for the sharpness already demonstrated in their dealings in this forum. The fact that I am a marketing professional mean I focus on the failings of the marketing. If I were a painter and decorator I might concentrate on whether they have the correct hues for the paint job, a musician might focus on the sounds which we don't know about and a potential Cirrus SJ owner might be interested in the interior - or the pressurisation. The absence of a `slick site` means that more question need answering than would be the case if they had simply thought about their marketing before release. In my world sloppy marketing nearly always means a sloppy product and second-rate service - that means more questions need be asked to make the correct decision.If you don't like the topic because questions are being asked then you can always ignore it and make your choices based on what others tell you. By the way, the moon is made of cheese... it IS, I'm telling you! :( As for plenty of fish in the sea: Name one other single-engine private jet available from a payware developer?

Please, just dont buy it and wait for the next one to come out.

FSD do NOT offer a money back guarantee and therefore any dissatisfaction with the purchase would be down to me, and me alone. Precisely why I want to find answers to my questions, and commitment to correcting the mistakes I already noted. There may be others.

You are making an untrue statement here, which you obviously had not researched. We always offer a full refund if you are not satisfied.As far as the cabin pressurization goes, our web page, which you seem to subject to an awful lot of minute scrutiny, does in fact specify that the Vision incorporates a pressurized cabin. Everything on the Cirrus SJ50 is automated, including the cabin environment and cabin pressurization. A pressurization indicator and warning system is incorporated in the MFD.

You are making an untrue statement here, which you obviously had not researched. We always offer a full refund if you are not satisfied.As far as the cabin pressurization goes, our web page, which you seem to subject to an awful lot of minute scrutiny, does in fact specify that the Vision incorporates a pressurized cabin. Everything on the Cirrus SJ50 is automated, including the cabin environment and cabin pressurization. A pressurization indicator and warning system is incorporated in the MFD.

Snave-re read Jimmy's post and take it to heart. Right now it really appears you have some kind of agenda against this developer.