HelloJust wondering if someone could confirm I understand this chart correctly as I see a lot like this and the way I think understand it should be flown does not seem right to me.The Charts can be viewed here http://www.house-numbers-delivered.co.uk/RWAY.png (if it makes any difference the Airport is Bristol in the UK )I am heading South towards the Airport, Plane is situated somewere near the top of the chart.My understanding isI head to BRI or IBTS (i.e fly over the Airport) then take a course of 102 degrees for 8 miles away from IBTS then turn left to (92 degrees 5.8 miles away from IBTS) then pick up the localiser and land.I set the FMC like this and map looks like thishttp://www.house-numbers-delivered.co.uk/767FMC.pngThe reason I ask this post, is it just seems strange to me make the Aircraft fly over the top of the Airport like that? Is that what happens in real life?Anyway thanks for looking Lazzabagshaw

You got the right idea there for circle to land. As the plate says though you would head to BRI at 3'000ft. Once you pass the BRI VOR you would start to decend on the out bound 102 radial to 2'500ft and at 8DME turn left to intercept the IBTS ILS from 8nm DME.At most larger airports you are vectored in mind you (ATC tells you your headings).At airports with less traffic or uncontrolled this would be the correct approach (to over fly the airport at 3'000ft in this case, altitude being very important). Of course you would be following the STAR too for EGGD (plate 10-2, 10-2A) and it also explains in the STAR that you would not fly beyond BRI with out ATC clearance.ATC would not vector you into traffic taking off.And yes this is the way it is done in real life.

You got the right idea there for circle to land.At most larger airports you are vectored in mind you (ATC tells you your headings).At airports with less traffic or uncontrolled this would be the correct approach (to over fly the airport at 3'000ft in this case, altitude being very important). Of course you would be following the STAR too for EGGD (plate 10-2, 10-2A) and it also explains in the STAR that you would not fly beyond BRI with out ATC clearance.ATC would not vector you into traffic taking off.And yes this is the way it is done in real life.

Hi altstiff, thanks for your answer. Based on what you are saying then. In FSXIf you decide to fly using the FMC, (i.e do not file a IFR flightplan) then when you get to the the destination Airport you can request to land form ATC and they will tell you which runway to land. But FSX ATC will not vector you in so you would need to use the chart.However, if your saying ATC would normally vector you in then the most realistic way to fly in FSX (when landing at a busy Airport) would be to use your FMC to get to the destination airport and then file an IFR flight plan (pausing the sim) when you get near to the destination airport so that ATC will then vector you in to the runway?hope that makes sense.ThanksLazzabagshaw

to get to the destination airport and then file an IFR flight plan (pausing the sim)

No, all commercial/jetliner flights are done under IFR all the way. You file IFR flight plan before you even depart.

Well I would just tune the ATIS to get the runway in use and set the arrival up in the FMC. Only because MSFS ATC is retarded!You should just follow the approach plate your using to keep it simple (ATC will tell you to enter from the left or right though, not that it matters with them, I stay stick to the published procedure).You can smooth out the arrival in your FMC using the radial/distance techniqueFor example you can add a waypoint between ITB01 and RX27 on your ND there. (You should be using BRI as your IAF though as published on the plate then ITBS only for the in/out bound).So go like this.....BRIITBS 102/08 (will show as BRI01 on the ND)ITBS 082/08 (will show as BRI02 on the ND)ITBS 265/08ITBS 265/5.8The bottom half of the plate is like a side view or a cross section of the arrival. The top portion of the plate is like an over head shot.

No, all commercial/jetliner flights are done under IFR all the way. You file IFR flight plan before you even depart.

Yes (in real life I am sure that is true) but, if you want to fly using the FMC in FSX then filing a IFR flight plan will not work in MS FSX because the ATC will not be able to cope when your FMC route is different to the route that your ATC wishes you to take??Unless I am misunderatding something.

Yes most hard core IFR flyers use something like Radar Contact.Using the MSFS ATC is not a very good option for simualting IFR flying.The donation ware VRoute has an excellent export feature for MSFS flight plans that match the route quite well. It's included in the freeware version.Check it out (it also lets you print off a nice little flight plan sheet).

Well I would just tune the ATIS to get the runway in use and set the arrival up in the FMC. Only because MSFS ATC is retarded!You should just follow the approach plate your using to keep it simple (ATC will tell you to enter from the left or right though, not that it matters with them, I stay stick to the published procedure).You can smooth out the arrival in your FMC using the radial/distance techniqueFor example you can add a waypoint between ITB01 and RX27 on your ND there. (You should be using BRI as your IAF though as published on the plate then ITBS only for the in/out bound).So go like this.....BRIITBS 102/08 (will show as BRI01 on the ND)ITBS 082/08 (will show as BRI02 on the ND)ITBS 265/08ITBS 265/5.8The bottom half of the plate is like a side view or a cross section of the arrival. The top portion of the plate is like an over head shot.

altstiff, thanks very much I appreciate your time explaining that.It all makese sense now. I will try your instructions out. But now I have to go bed as work in the mornigng ha haThanks again.Lazzabagshaw

I would double checks those radials there, I was just giving you an off the top of my head example. :(

So go like this.....BRIITBS 102/08 (will show as BRI01 on the ND)ITBS 082/08 (will show as BRI02 on the ND)ITBS 265/08ITBS 265/5.8

How did you define / calculate this waypoint? What's the idea behind?

You got the right idea there for circle to land. This chart doesn't show a circle to land approach.

The linked chart appears to be for the NDB approach, but the approach for the ILS 27 is similar. This type approach is a called a "base turn". You don't see it too much in the US, but it is common in other parts of the world. As indicated you overfly the NDB and then fly outbound, then do a short base leg onto the final. Typically there are two outbound leg courses, depending on your aircraft category (in your chart, 096 and 102). Flying it just with the NDB and DME is probably a bit challenging, but if you fly the ILS/DME/NDB 27 approach you have the benefit of the localizer. The stock Bristol in FSX has both the NDB and ILS 27 approaches available to you, which you can request from ATC. It also provides for transitions from BRI, BCN, CDF, and EXMOR. Coming from the north, you could plan the BRI 1B or 1E STAR for example, and request the BCN transition from ATC. ATC will clear you direct to BCN and you can fly the approach as shown on the GPS. You should be able to do the same in the 767 FMS, though the LvlD FMS is a little lacking in some areas, such as flying arcs.scott s..

If it helps illustrate the point, you'll see the exact same thing at e.g. Leeds (EGNM) - check out the ILS14 chart, where the initial fix is LBA, right over the airport, and you'll see the parallel.

The linked chart appears to be for the NDB approach, but the approach for the ILS 27 is similar. This type approach is a called a "base turn". You don't see it too much in the US, but it is common in other parts of the world. As indicated you overfly the NDB and then fly outbound, then do a short base leg onto the final. Typically there are two outbound leg courses, depending on your aircraft category (in your chart, 096 and 102). Flying it just with the NDB and DME is probably a bit challenging, but if you fly the ILS/DME/NDB 27 approach you have the benefit of the localizer. The stock Bristol in FSX has both the NDB and ILS 27 approaches available to you, which you can request from ATC. It also provides for transitions from BRI, BCN, CDF, and EXMOR. Coming from the north, you could plan the BRI 1B or 1E STAR for example, and request the BCN transition from ATC. ATC will clear you direct to BCN and you can fly the approach as shown on the GPS. You should be able to do the same in the 767 FMS, though the LvlD FMS is a little lacking in some areas, such as flying arcs.scott s..

Sorry my bad on the NDBTHis is the ILS approach for 27http://www.house-numbers-delivered.co.uk/ILS27.pngIt seems similar.

You got the right idea there for circle to land. This chart doesn't show a circle to land approach.

It does not but it is quite the same, only not visual and not a back course...http://www.terps.com/ifrr/nov97.pdf

How did you define / calculate this waypoint? What's the idea behind?

This figure was off the top of my head and by no means correct, mearly an example. Using radial/distance is a great technique for adding your own user waypoints.....