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It amazes me how plain Jane the graphics are in the simulators. Granted they don't need to be anything fancy, in fact the only simulator I have ever been in didn't have screens at all and was just a C172 instrument set up, but still. They have a $30,000,000 simulator and don't even have graphics equivalent to a $40 copy of FSX haha.Although I do like that sand storm :)

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Ok where's the add to cart button? and do they take pay pal? :(

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they do that on purpose...they'd rather have poor graphics than have every boeing pilot in the world complain about their FPS...In all honestly, if I had millions of dollars there's no doubt I would own one of these in my mansion,but if I couldn't hook it up to VATSIM, I may get bored...

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It amazes me how plain Jane the graphics are in the simulators.
Actually, I got a very clear picture of exactly where my house is in London from that...granted it's pretty obvious because I live by a park, but the photoscenery isn't too bad at all!

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Thanks for the link, did you notice 2:22, what is that?? VSD swath now 2D instead of 1D, following magenta line? :(sig.gifEdit: Oh, just wanted to add how remarkable I find the outside view does not flicker at all, unlike many sims I've seen before (not only thru a cam lens)... Really seems to be a step forward in that aspect.

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It amazes me how plain Jane the graphics are in the simulators. Granted they don't need to be anything fancy, in fact the only simulator I have ever been in didn't have screens at all and was just a C172 instrument set up, but still. They have a $30,000,000 simulator and don't even have graphics equivalent to a $40 copy of FSX haha.Although I do like that sand storm :)
Haha!!! I thought the same!!! I would hope they at least have FTX PNW installed for Seattle Boeing/Paine field area

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Thanks for the link, did you notice 2:22, what is that?? VSD swath now 2D instead of 1D, following magenta line? :(sig.gifEdit: Oh, just wanted to add how remarkable I find the outside view does not flicker at all, unlike many sims I've seen before (not only thru a cam lens)... Really seems to be a step forward in that aspect.
The reason screens flicker like that is because the camera is recording at a faster rate of which the monitor is refreshing. This mainly happens with Tube monitors or televisions and terrible LCD monitors.

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Haha!!! I thought the same!!! I would hope they at least have FTX PNW installed for Seattle Boeing/Paine field area
Haha, yeah. I figured if I could get and sustain a great frame rate then a $30,000,000.00 sim could. Perhaps I'll call the manufacturer for a job? JK :wink:They might not have the looks but I bet their physics are MUCH better than anything we'll see for a while. It just seems odd that they can't at least nudge the envelope a tad more (not push it, just a little nudge).I don't know about FTX though, "The worlds not that ready" haha.

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Haha, yeah. I figured if I could get and sustain a great frame rate then a $30,000,000.00 sim could. Perhaps I'll call the manufacturer for a job? JK :wink:They might not have the looks but I bet their physics are MUCH better than anything we'll see for a while. It just seems odd that they can't at least nudge the envelope a tad more (not push it, just a little nudge).I don't know about FTX though, "The worlds not that ready" haha.
Dan,The DC-10 simulator I trained on in the 1970s had a camera that moved along a model scenery set similar to that used for model trains. I think they have come a long way. Bill Bridges

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Dan,The DC-10 simulator I trained on in the 1970s had a camera that moved along a model scenery set similar to that used for model trains. I think they have come a long way. Bill Bridges
Hi Bill,I couldn't agree more. They sure have come a long way. My point though is still 100% relevant and is partly due to that statement. They have come a long way yet some things look the same graphically is all. Again though I 100% understand that it isn't the scope of a simulator, just that they do, in fact, look dull as hell :( Wow, that I would love to see (the camera along the scenery). I did a lot of research in film making a while back and loved the way they did it years ago and all the insane amounts of work put into it before things like Maya, After Effects etc, came along. You don't have any pictures by any chance, do you? Would love to see them!Now that I think of it, I think I read somewhere that MS was responcible for some simulator programs?

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Hi Bill,I couldn't agree more. They sure have come a long way. My point though is still 100% relevant and is partly due to that statement. They have come a long way yet some things look the same graphically is all. Again though I 100% understand that it isn't the scope of a simulator, just that they do, in fact, look dull as hell :( Wow, that I would love to see (the camera along the scenery). I did a lot of research in film making a while back and loved the way they did it years ago and all the insane amounts of work put into it before things like Maya, After Effects etc, came along. You don't have any pictures by any chance, do you? Would love to see them!Now that I think of it, I think I read somewhere that MS was responcible for some simulator programs?
I read the same thing, Dan. Microsoft is supplying to Lockheed Martin. Take a look at the news http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/nov09/11-30warfightertrainingpr.mspx

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That's it Felipe, thanks!Although a different article than I read, it was indeed, Lockheed.

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As I'm sure you're all aware The Combat Simulator developer "DCS" Digital Combat Simulator of Lock-On/Black Shark fame has made a realworld Military A-10C WartHog simulator for the U.S.Airforce[and I believe other NATO forces who fly her] they are very close[most likely end of 2010] to releasing a Civilian version of The A-10C Sim,You can read more about it here........http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/

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.... Military A-10C WartHog simulator for the U.S.Airforce[and I believe other NATO forces who fly her.....
Thanks for the links. Re : the A-10 : No other air force flies the A-10. Only the USAF, reserves and ANG. Re : the 787, anybody knows if Boeing ever considered a side stick for the 787? If a discussion, position paper etc. is available on this topic, would appreciate a link.Thanks again,Bruno

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The reason screens flicker like that is because the camera is recording at a faster rate of which the monitor is refreshing. This mainly happens with Tube monitors or televisions and terrible LCD monitors.
Hey Danny,thanks for explaining but that's exactly what I meant when I said 'even when not viewing thru a cam lens'. :( I am fully aware of the camera problem, but I was trying to say that some older sims did indeed flicker (looking at the projection from inside the FTD not from a video recording). Looked like a good old CRT monitor running at 60Hz or so, you couldn't really see seperate images but you can clearly see that it would flicker and at some point it was not easy on your eyes anymore.Now in this case though it seems the projectors produce a great steady image that seems to be pleasing to look at - AND the camera did record it very well, obviously! Big%20Grin.gifPlus - I wanna have it. :(

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Re : the 787, anybody knows if Boeing ever considered a side stick for the 787? If a discussion, position paper etc. is available on this topic, would appreciate a link.
Pretty sure Boeing intends to remain a yoke company...

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Pretty sure Boeing intends to remain a yoke company...
Why would Boeing ever consider having a side joystick?:(

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I think side joysticks are going to someday be seen a lot more than now. Personally I prefer the yoke but think the stick is much easier to control manual flight. I don't think I could fly for an airline with one though, I might get a little carried away with a stick and start having flashbacks of my Falcon 4.0 days (Played that more than FS haha). I think most aircraft will have them in the future. No time soon, or buck rogers future, but down the road a couple decades.Besides, It kind of goes with the hud. All I need now is a 747, hud, sidestick and a couple of Daisy Cutters and I can visit some old pals :(

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Thales' graphics looked like crap, but check out CAE's 787 sim here - this looks a LOT better.Anyone know for sure what the dashed white lines around the magenta route line are? Look around 4:45 to see them...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxBVSX3KtlA

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Wow nice vid. Nice find Ryan. Learnt alot about the 787 in those 10 minutes. Looks like a fabulas airplane. Re the yoke disscussion, I think Boeing should remain with the yoke as that is there style, and they would be to llike airbus without it.

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Sorry, but sidestick is just too un-natural! To me anyway. I got to fly a Columbia 400 (now the Cessna Corvalis) a while ago, and it just dosen't feel right. The Airbus sidestick says to me that there is maybe a little too much confidance in the fly by wire system. If the Computer goes south, are you going to be able to manually pull that bus out of a dive with that silly little stick? :( If it ain't Boeing........ahh you know the rest :(

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Thales' graphics looked like crap, but check out CAE's 787 sim here - this looks a LOT better.Anyone know for sure what the dashed white lines around the magenta route line are? Look around 4:45 to see them...

An educated guess would be that the white lines are the limits of the RNP containment area in the lateral pathFara

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Thales' graphics looked like crap, but check out CAE's 787 sim here - this looks a LOT better.Anyone know for sure what the dashed white lines around the magenta route line are? Look around 4:45 to see them...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxBVSX3KtlA
Shot in the dark here but is it de noting a manualy inputed departure? instead of a SID? Are the dashed lines present through the whole route?. If so, maybe drift limit? RNP? :( good question!!!

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