Hi Jim.I just noticed the new update today on the Avsim front page and decided to download and install it.Unfortunately, going against my motto of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", I went ahead and installed it and now am having some issues that to me I consider major, but maybe minor to others.I had been on build 572 since July 31st, and while having not any bad issues except for the solid overcast when using themes I mentioned a few weeks ago, I had been pretty pleased with ASE. Now after running the update and doing two flights just to make sure the problem wasn't a fluke after running the update here are the problems.On build 642 I am using "Standard" depiciton mode since I want to be sure the destination winds are correct when I arrive. I cant recall what this mode was called on the last build I was on, but I hadnt been using DWC or Vis Grad and smoothing, so I guess I had been just using regular mode or whatever the mode is called when you write different conditions to all the stations.The problem with ASE now after the update is that I am getting really bad stutters and lags, sometime FPS dropping down into the single digits for 5 to 10 seconds at a time. This is even happening while taxing around the airport. It will clear up, but then after a short time it will start doing it again. When I experience this I was on the ground at an airport and got the stutters after about 10 minutes when I started to taxi, then again while 40 miles from my destination, then again after I had landed at the destination.The other weird problem is that on both flights, I had edited the destination and arrival weather to include snow, but when I would switch to external locked spot view and start panning around the snow would vanish, sometimes it would reappear and sometimes it wouldn't. When I was on the last build of 572, I would be able to pan around in locked spot and not lose the snow or rain while panning.Frankly, I am not sure what has happened to cause the horrible stutters I started getting and the problem of going into locked spot and losing the snow effects while panning around the a/c.Of note, since I had edited the destination and arrival airport it disbabled updates, so I can deduce that it wasn't downloaded updates causing the stutters and single digit FPS. Also of note the route that I tested the new build with tonight was a route that I frequently fly with the same a/c and sceneries installed, as well as having used similar conditions previously with build 572 and had never experienced what I did tonight.I am also running ASE on a networked computer, so I know that it doesn't have to do with running the ASE and FSX on the same rig and having that cause a problem.Lastly, I tried the two flights once with "Use Local Range Supression" checked and 200 miles set which was how it was by default after running the update, and I also tried it with that box unchecked on the second flight and had the same problems. "Supress on Ground" was unchecked on both flights.I will say that on both flights depiction seemed to be correct as far as the clouds and precip which I had set manually since I wanted snow, but like I mentioned previously the snow would disappear if I went into locked spot and started panning around.Now I just need to know what I need to do to get rid of the lags, stutters and super low (single digit FPS) I am now experiencing with this latest build. I was really happy for the most part with build 572 since I never had these new performance problems. I will check back in the moring to see what you suggest and can also provide some screen shots of my ASE settings if needed.BTW, I am not using a registered version of FSUIPC.Regards,Sean

Its a known issue when it sends the weather through simconnect it will flash and cause stutters on some computers. I tried the betas but after build 629 I stopped due to it causing this issue when it didn't before. I'm sticking with SP1 for now because it is smooth without sky flashes and stutters.Sean

Thanks for the input Sean, however I don't see what could have been different from the build I was on to the new service pack that could cause what I am now experiencing since the weather has always gone thru simconnect.I have always has the little flash, which I guess I have gotten used to now over the last 2 years that I barely even noticed it, in fact its really a non-issue for me since I didn't even mention it in my post. However, losing the precip effects like the snow when I go into locked spot and pan around is a new one for me as well as getting the new stutters.Anyways, I guess I will monitor the forum thoughout the day and see what Jim says. If there's no fix or work around then I would imagine I will have to either uninstall ASE and reinstall back to build 572 or try re-running the 572 build over the current install. Frankly, I cant see why once the weather is first loaded into the stations it would start causing these random periods when it gets really laggy. I guess this is one of the reasons I have always been hesitant to run the new builds or updates since I had it working well. I was hoping that the new SP would maybe work even better, but for me its a step back.

 I'm also seeing stutters and flashing that are show stoppers. I have never had this issue before. I was  using ASE (simconnect)  and  RC4 via (Wideclient). Both are on a client.  The stutters were so bad, I removed ASE from the simulation and went with the default FSX weather.  Thanks.Bob.. :)

Have you tried DWC?

Have you tried DWC?

Me?If so no. Not sure that would make a difference, plus I like using standard mode so I get the correct winds when I arrive. Plus, i'm not sure that would make a difference with the other problem of snow effects disappearing when panning around the exterior of the a/c.Hopefully Jim will get a chance to get in here soon and offer a suggestion. Until then I will just hold tight before I un-install ASE or try installing build 572 back over SP2. I wish I had gone into all the hidden ASE folders and backed up my last install so I could just overwrite the last update I installed. Of course in hind sight I wish I hadn't done the update since I had a good working version already.Another weird thing about the two flights I did last night I forgot to mention to Jim in my first post was that when I did the first flight the weather from ASE loaded as soon as the flight loaded and was in the plane. After doing a reboot and running ASE and FSX for the second test, when the flight first loaded I had the conditions of ASE which was OC with snow, then after about 5 seconds the weather turned completely clear. I went into the top pull down menu and selected weather to see if "user define" was marked and when I exited the weather menu and went back to the flight, suddenly all the ASE weather was back with OC and snow.

Hey Sean,If you notice with SP2 there are three different weather depiction modes: Standard, Smooth Cloud Transitions and Direct Weather Control. If your prior build did not have these options, ASE was default Smooth Cloud Transitions and you can choose to turn on DWC. If you want that then choose "Smooth Cloud Transitions" or "Direct Weather Control" and your studders will go away. Phil

Hi All,We knew this was going to come up, just as it had in testing.Standard Mode is named that way because that is how that mode is interacting with SimConnect, in a standard manner. But because of some programming "issues" within SimConnect itself, the results of this are texture flashing in FSX and stuttering. We can't get into sc. and make any changes so those are going to be cons of Standard Mode.This wasn't happening before with ASE because we were not interacting with sc. in a standard manner, but in an enhanced manner, thus no flashing or stuttering.The remaining 2 Modes in ASE SP2 continue to use this enhanced mode.For Standard Mode there is nothing we can do to prevent the issues so it is not something we are going to be looking into in the future. It will be up to individual users to decide what version and what mode is best for them to use. If one decides to go back to a previous version, then there is NO WAY to just uninstall SP2. One would need to uninstall ASE completely, manually delete the 2 ASE folders that are left behind, and then reinstall and update. Please note that SP1 HAS BEEN REMOVED from the Support and Downloads page and I do not have access to that file. So please be sure you have the Build you wish to end up with archived somewhere before you start uninstalling anything.

Hi Jim,Thanks for the quick reply.Ok, just to clarify then. If in the pre SP2 version I was just letting the weather load and wasn't using Global mode or DWC with Wind & Vis Smoothing, then that would be equalivant to using Smooth Cloud Transitions or option #2 in the newest build? Should this also clear up the problem I was having when switching to locked spot and panning around and losing the snow effects?Lastly, if for some reason going to Smooth Cloud Transitions still doesn't work out for me and I have to reinstall to the last build I was using please confirm these steps.1. Uninstall ASE completely and manually delete the 2 ASE folders that are left behind.2. Install ASE again which I saved and says is build 5663. Then install build 572 which was SP1 and the last version I was on prior to installing Sp2 last nightI will give Smooth Cloud Transitions a go tonight and see what happens and post back either way to let you know if it worked out ok.Regards,Sean

I had tried the SP2 beta about a month ago and was alarmed to see the stutters and sky flashes with the new standard mode. I never even tried the Smooth Cloud Transition, and was always against DWC so I just uninstalled and went back to sp1 build 586 to get back my "tried and true" settings that worked just fine for me.Strangely enough, I did some reading about the advantages of DWC mode for allowing consistent and accurate winds aloft. I do plenty of long haul flights with the PMDG heavies and Level D 767 exclusively, and was getting tired of the ASE non DWC mode losing the winds aloft or visibilty unlimited glitches I had grown accustomed to. Even though I avoided DWC like a plaque (because of the global mode using the enroute cruise weather as the defacto weather everywhere including the ground, hence AI contrails with planes taxing at the airports and unreliable ATIS reports at destination), I have decided that its more important for me to have the steady winds aloft. And I as much as I want to see AI behave in a normal fashion when I spot them in cruise or see them arrive/depart the correct runway on arrival, I have to remind myself I should be concentrating on flying the plane, not looking outside to see the pretty AI. It's a tradeoff, but after doing a few long hauls with DWC I have to say the benefit of nice winds (and no more unexpected shifts/lost enroute WX conditions) trumps AI visuals. Regarding the ATIS report, I can just switch to the ASE report of arrival conditions and copy the barometer/weather report or use the ATIS/Flightwatch 122.00 radio setting to get the correct ATIS report for my predescent planning.Having said that, and finally learning that the Smooth Cloud Transitions mode is really the non DWC mode we all enjoyed in SP1, I am going to update to SP2 again and hope to enjoy the upgrades SP2 brings to ASE. DWC (with registered FSUIPC wind smoothing on as well) really is the best mode for airliner flights, its a shame that it has some cons but if necessary now I can just switch to the smooth clouds mode for shorter flights where enroute winds are not as important. I'm happy Jim made the statement clarifying that the SP1 mode is still there, because otherwise I would never try SP2 again.

For Standard Mode there is nothing we can do to prevent the issues...

Yes there is. You can provide the "enhanced interacting with SimConnect" mode again as an option. Just like it was before the introduction of the 3 different modes. That at least stops the stuttering.Jon

Hi Jim.I am happy to report that after moving to Smooth Cloud Transitions rather than Standard mode, it has gotten rid of the problem I was having with the horrible stutters.However there is still an outstanding issue which I mentioned to you a few weeks in another post about a problem I was having with getting a good solid overcast, which I was able to remedy somewhat by adding more than one cloud layer. The problem is that some aiports still seem to have holes in coverage. For example tonight when I tested Smooth Cloud Transitions I flew the same route I did yesterday when I tested Standard mode which was a short flight from KJFK to KBOS. When I landed at KBOS it was snowing in some parts of the airport but not at others.Here is a screen shot of me taxing past one runway where it is snowing, then after I pass the runway the snow stops. Then in these two pictures I was going the other direction and had no snow, then after passing a point on the taxiway I suddenly had snow again. I have experienced similar things like this at numerous airports where I would think that the conditions should remain the same for the whole aiport. For example like in the pics, if its snowing at KBOS then it should be snowing at the whole airport, not just certain parts of it. I taxied around the whole airport (KBOS) and found that in some other areas it would be snowing, but then in others spots on the airport grounds it would still be cloudy but no snow.If you can figure this out I would really appreaciate what I can do to get the conditions to remain the same at the whole airport.Regards

Hello All,So I have flickering and stuttering but accurate weather or a mode that might mean I'm using the wrong runway at my destination (online) because of "weather inconsistencies" or a mode that means I just get the same weather everywhere.How is SP2 an improvement exactly?Regards,Dan Parkin.

I tried DWC mode but had some S-Turns in the long haul airliners which I never had before. Granted DWC does do away with the stutters and flashes and does work with RC4 now but I just couldn't handle the S-Turns. As Jim said I saved all betas and the previous SP so it was easy to just go back to what works for me. Sean

I tried DWC mode but had some S-Turns in the long haul airliners which I never had before. Granted DWC does do away with the stutters and flashes and does work with RC4 now but I just couldn't handle the S-Turns. As Jim said I saved all betas and the previous SP so it was easy to just go back to what works for me. Sean

With DWC mode I also had S-turns in my PMDG 747/MD11. The solution is to get registered FSUIPC, and turn on its Wind Smoothing and barometer smoothing features. Enabling the FSUIPC smoothing in addition to DWC mode should eliminate all S-turns, at least it did for me. See the following link for the ideal FSUIPC settings (notice that they have DWC off on their ASE, but leave it on for your system of course)http://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/topic/1947-asa-ase-settings-with-fsuipc-and-fsx/Note, you will get the s-turns in DWC mode for SP1 and SP2 if you don't enable wind smoothing with FSUIPC, you must have these settings enabled in FSUIPC to eliminate S-Turns entirely!