Hello everyone. i have a question about fs build and the pmdg MD11plane. When i make a fp (with autogenerate) it makes the plan and i can export it to pmdg that is no problem.But i was wondering why i can't fly the same way as in the tutorial.I really want to learn how to fly with the FMC and in the tutorial flight it al worked great, but with the plans build in fsbuild it doesn't work the way it was in the tutorial. Maybe you could have a look at the tutorial i mean on page 8/9 (there you see what i mean and what i want, EGLL is first in the fp and not a runway) and on page 26. as you see there is no line (saying F-PL-DISCONTINUITY)coming after everything is put in the fmc. I can't figure out why i keep getting this problem. The manual is found here: http://downloads.precisionmanuals.com/f ... _v1.10.pdfso the problem for me is that when i make a fp the first thing in the fmc's flt pl is a runway and in the tutorial it is the airport (egll) also the same with the last point in the flt pl. this is also a runway and no airport id. In the tutorial you have on the first line when you start the fp an airport id and you must than assign a sid to it. Also the same is done for the star, you have to assign a star on the last waypoint for the airport.My problem is that if for example i want to assign a star procedure to the last waypoint and i done this in the fmc there comes a line which says --F-PLN-DISCONTINUITY--. and in the tutorial this doesn't show up. Am i setting something wrong in fsbuild or what else could be the problem.I want to make the flightplans with the auto generate button in fsbuild and fly the plan like in the pmdg tutorial so i strat with an airport id and than assign the sid and at the end of the flightplan i also want a airport and not a runway (wich i now always get when making a flightplan in fsbuild.Hope someone can help me and hope you understand what i mean in my long story.or does anyone know in which program the tutorial flight is made or does anyone know a program which makes the flightplans just like in the tutorial? thnxps i have the same airac cycle in pmdg and fsbuild!!Please help.gr.RemyTHNX very very much for your help i realy appreciate it.

Hi Remy,You can clear the Discontinuity by pressing "CLR" and then pressing the LSK by the Discontinuity.Haven't got the sim open infront of me but if memory serves click on the LSK by "EGLL" and the on the next page select the STAR (RSK2). Here you assign the runway and SID.Regards,Dan.

First, you can get free the update to FSBuild 2.4 latest release if you have 2.3 from your order history link a simmarket.com. It now uses AIRACs from Navigraph (by subscription) which it sounds like you are already using. It does include the thirteenth cycle for 2010.Here is a generic document I made to assist RC users that covers a few specifics that might help you with FS Build.:FSB tips:1. Include this line in FSbuild.cfg:NAVCHKDUPDIST=100This decreases the chance of using the wrong duplicate named local (to the airport) waypiont from a nearby airport. Local waypoint names are not exclusive. It decreases the database search when it is named in the route to within a 100 nm radius of your airport. You will find these in terminal procedures such as "D" number something within a SID or STAR to define a merge or turning point.2. When doing a Auto Generate (Route) be sure the SR (Stored Route) button next to it is "up" that is not highlighted. Auto Generate will use a stored route if found by default and most are out of date with old waypoints and terminal procedures. Having Stored Routes off forces it to search a path with fresh data. (Now off by default in version 2.4.)**REVISED 12/31/10** 3. Starting soon in 2011 FS Build database updates will be exclusively released through navigraph.com. It should be part of the FMC data line. For those not familiar with Navigraph each subscription term (cycle) includes multiple format downloads at no additional cost. This is very convenient for aligning FMC/navigation equipment databases with the flightplanner so among other things ATC data and your nav equipment data should match as you send a plan to ATC and then load it including terminal procedures into your FMC. The 2.4 upgrade includes the thirteenth cycle of 2010.4. Where an airport uses specific runways for different terminal procedures select the runway using an estimate based on weather and if the runway fits your aircraft requirements before doing the Auto Generate. This helps select the correct SID and STAR for the runway and direction of departure and arrival.5. After the Auto Generate and/or first build look at the map created to spot any obvious errors. In the route grid look for any sudden non-sensible changes in direction or extremely long legs not in the correct direction creating a zig-zag in the map. (See item 6 following to correct).6. Be aware there is an option you can set for each session titled "Build Route from Grid Table". It does not stick between sessions. This lets you build from an edited route grid that you may have modified without recreating the table with the same error on your next build/export. For example you might wish to drop an errant waypoint when proofing the map and rebuilding.7. Sometimes the name of a procedure (SID/STAR) does not match the name exactly in a published route and the procedure will not expand into its plan waypoints in the grid table. You can click on the arrow in the SID/STAR box to see what close name is in the FSB database. (Another reason to keep up with AIRACS.) For example KMSP has a current real such as this one:http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KMSP/DP/WAUKON+TWObut the FSB database only has UKN2. (It does have UKN3 now with the latest available AIRAC update). If so in the route line just change UKN3 to UKN2 so it will expand. Here's a real route from flightaware.com for KMSP to KMDW:KMSP UKN3 DBQ CVA MOTIF3 KMDWthat can be pasted into the FSB route line. If UKN3 or MOTIF3 does not expand in the route grid to individual way points look in the upper part of FSB in the airport section dropping down the SID or STAR box to get the available version and substitute that label in the route line and rebuild. Note that the SID and STAR dropdowns may follow the chosen runway in certain areas.8. Sometimes it takes a second build to get the map to move and/or magnify. The mouse scroll wheel lets you magnify. Just click on the portion of the map you want to center on and scroll to magnify.9. If you click on a line in the route grid table to highlight it, the waypoint on the map will turn red. This is useful for finding errant waypoints that cause an error in the path. That line can then be edited or deleted and a rebuild accomplished with the build option to build from the route grid table.10. If you are running a weather program such as active sky, first build the route in FSB exporting to FS9 using an anticipated cruise altitude and specify the nearest aircraft profile. In AS get the weather you wish to use. (I always get the weather for the zulu time of the departure in FS since time of day affects weather characteristics). Import the plan into AS via the new route button, check the altitude and choose an appropriate true airspeed in knots (this is your no wind ground speed). Process the route. When it is finished click the button to print a hard copy of all. Use this AS navlog for METAR data at both ends and winds aloft and temperature aloft that can be used for FMC data. (You'll also get your estimated average wind at your specified altitude - handy for FMC data.) Leave AS running. Now go back to FSB and your chosen aircraft profile. Enter the surface temperature from your departure METAR, then estimated total taxi time, hold time, and extra time (sometimes called discretionary fuel). Now turn on again your FS9 export along with any FMC export you might use. Rebuild and you'll see the messages regarding the export completion. On the route selection on the left which brings up your route window select the navlog tab and click the .pdf to save the navlog in a file or the print button to get a hard copy so you can easily reference the estimated fuel and other data. This estimated fuel has now taken into account your winds aloft data - no need to enter it in FSB. Now that you have the hard copy and exported your route, you can first optionally save the plan by selecting flightplan window, then clicking the category tab, then select user category. Now click file, save from the menu bar. The name you might want to embellish. Click Save Route To User Flight Plans. For another session, you can recall this working plan and just build.11. If you are using an aircraft with nav equipment that has its own terminal data procedures in its nav equipment (think FMC) you might wish to use step 6 above to take out the waypoints of the terminal procedures keeping just the transition points and build and export with just them. This easily in most cases lets you select the SID and STAR assigned by ATC on your nav equipment by providing a clean legs list in your nav equipment. If you need ATC to monitor the waypoints of the terminal procedure than just export all. To keep ATC and you nav equipment in sync, you might consider importing the full plan into your nav equipment and not using your nav equipment procedure database.This is kind of long but through experience I've described some tricks I've used watching out for any pitfalls.Be sure to check the FSBuild forum for updates.-----------------Regarding your discontinuity issue are the waypoints in order so do you just need to close up the discontinuity?Normally FSBuild expands the Terminal Procedures (SIDs and STARs) into individual waypoints in its exports. If you have imported that into the FMC then those waypoints are already in there so you don't load them again with the DEP/ARR pages from the FMC. They will be in there twice in that case and may not match. There is an option in FB not to expand those so you may need to export twice - once for the FMC without them and once with them in FS format to make FS ATC happy.When you use Autoroute in FSB the available SIDs and STARs appear for the runways you have selected in FSB and based on your departure direction and runway FSB will choose what it thinks is the best.

Hello everyone. i have a question about fs build and the pmdg MD11plane. When i make a fp (with autogenerate) it makes the plan and i can export it to pmdg that is no problem.But i was wondering why i can't fly the same way as in the tutorial.I really want to learn how to fly with the FMC and in the tutorial flight it al worked great, but with the plans build in fsbuild it doesn't work the way it was in the tutorial. Maybe you could have a look at the tutorial i mean on page 8/9 (there you see what i mean and what i want, EGLL is first in the fp and not a runway) and on page 26. as you see there is no line (saying F-PL-DISCONTINUITY)coming after everything is put in the fmc. I can't figure out why i keep getting this problem. The manual is found here: http://downloads.precisionmanuals.com/f ... _v1.10.pdfso the problem for me is that when i make a fp the first thing in the fmc's flt pl is a runway and in the tutorial it is the airport (egll) also the same with the last point in the flt pl. this is also a runway and no airport id. In the tutorial you have on the first line when you start the fp an airport id and you must than assign a sid to it. Also the same is done for the star, you have to assign a star on the last waypoint for the airport.My problem is that if for example i want to assign a star procedure to the last waypoint and i done this in the fmc there comes a line which says --F-PLN-DISCONTINUITY--. and in the tutorial this doesn't show up. Am i setting something wrong in fsbuild or what else could be the problem.I want to make the flightplans with the auto generate button in fsbuild and fly the plan like in the pmdg tutorial so i strat with an airport id and than assign the sid and at the end of the flightplan i also want a airport and not a runway (wich i now always get when making a flightplan in fsbuild.Hope someone can help me and hope you understand what i mean in my long story.or does anyone know in which program the tutorial flight is made or does anyone know a program which makes the flightplans just like in the tutorial? thnxps i have the same airac cycle in pmdg and fsbuild!!Please help.gr.RemyTHNX very very much for your help i realy appreciate it.

Hi Remy,The problem is that you insert with fsbuild the runway of the departure airport and the arriving airport.But it isn't a problem, you click on the runway of departure in the fmc and you go to the sids. Then you choose a runway and a waypoint (don't know how they call it.) And then insert it. clear the discontinuities. Then go to the last point before the runway of arrival.Click it and choose Star. after inserting you can clear again the discontinuities and you're ready.You can try it with the same route and you see that it takes the way to Gipol etc...Hope this helped.Eric ps I didn't read the answer of Ron. That is perfect. Ron was quicker and better

Edited February 16, 201115 yr by Ericd

Hey mate,Sounds to me like your quite new to complicated aircraft with FMC`s.All I can advise is after creating your plan and loaded it into the FMC, closed all the disco`s after entering your sids and stars etc. Make sure and step through the flight plan making sure it all looks okay on the ND screen. Having the ND displaying in plan mode. This will let you notice any failings in your planing as done in the real world.It`s a steep learning curve starting off with complicated FMC`s and you will no doubt fail approaches often, you will soon get the hang of it making short flights of 200 miles or so.Also check the speed and altitude in the FMC for your last waypoint before final say they look lile this. DME09 230/3000 9miles out from the runway nearly 1000ft to high and way to fast for localiser captureEDI 160/1560RW24 152/146The MD11 tends to be high and fast on approach. So I would manually enter on the FMC flightplan for that first waypoint in this example,180/2100 then hit the LSK next to230/3000. This means the aircraft will be much better set up for Glideslope capture and easier to slow down tracking the ILS. It`s just a little bit of common sence that you don`t want to be screaming into your last waypoints. If they dont look right 9-15 miles out then sort them out manually. This comes with experience though. Practice paractice practice. I remember the days of wondering why I could`nt get the MD11 on the deck but you will get it. Also with FSbuild I always delete the SID`s, Star`s and runways then enter them manually through the FMC once you have found out from ATC what runway to use. This way can manually check the Sid`s and Star`s you`ve entered just to make sure your headed the right direction and checking agian for disco`s of course.Sorry if it`s a little bit of a longwinded answer but these are the tips that helped me and lots of practice with short flights.You can always check youtube aswell for handy FMC tutorial videos.Good luck :(

Hey Douglas!Nice sig!That is all

Hello everyone.THNX for all the answers and i saw some very good tips.Indeed i'm new to flying with an FMC aircraft and i have a lot to learn, that's for sure. But as ussually i want it all learning too fast because i want to fly with the plane!. I will now take a step back and figure out how everything pecisely works so i can have lots off fun with planes. And i think it's a longer way, but in the end i will be able to fly and understand the fmc planes much better. So i Will go to practice now a lot with the fmc planes and if something does not go the way it should be and i can't figure out what's the problem i will ask you great guys for help once again.I really appreciate all your help in getting me as a newbie to fly the big and compex planes. THNX for that.And if someone has anymore advise, i'm always in to that cause i can't learn to much about these great planes.THNX once again.Gr.Remy van de MortelThe netherlands

Hello here an other question from me.If i put in a runway for landing and i have to choose a star, how do i know which star to choose (i'm flying without atc for learning). And how do i know which transition to use.If i for example fly the pmdg 737 and i set the landing for eddf, i choose a runway, than a star (btw how do you know ich star is for which runway?? where can that be found) and than i can select a transition? but what exactly does the transition do? Also if i choose a star for this airport, the fp shows al lines and sends me to a waypoint, than to another point and a couple of other points, than back to the waypoint so it;s not straight in, but it makes lots of different moves before going to the runway? anyone know how and why this happens? so if i select a star, the drawn route will go for example, left, right, than left again, than back to the first point, than right again en so on to get to the runway finally.Yes i'm a newbie to flying the pmdg planes.gr.Remy

This is the point where you have to step your hobby up a gear and start using charts for the airports your flying to and from. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.flightgear.org%2Findex.php%2FGetting_IFR_Charts&ei=HlheTYKACdS0hAeu86WcDQ&usg=AFQjCNFn6fXRqS92GPh67mQKzwHBJB1tlg&sig2=v7bKYACW53KRXRhCMOXemA It`s not essential to use them as stepping through your plan to make sure your STAR is heading in the right direction of the runway your wanting can be done aswell although I would highly recomend getting your hands on them to make planning easier. I`m sure some of the guys on here can recommend some good sites for them. Can`t remember of hand where I got mine I`ll get back to you though.

Thnx for the answer.I have jeppview from jeppesen so all the charts are in there. So i have to look at the carts and then decide wich star to use?gr.Remy

This is the point where you have to step your hobby up a gear and start using charts for the airports your flying to and from. http://www.google.co...W53KRXRhCMOXemA It`s not essential to use them as stepping through your plan to make sure your STAR is heading in the right direction of the runway your wanting can be done aswell although I would highly recomend getting your hands on them to make planning easier. I`m sure some of the guys on here can recommend some good sites for them. Can`t remember of hand where I got mine I`ll get back to you though.

Thnx for the answer.I have jeppview from jeppesen so all the charts are in there. So i have to look at the carts and then decide wich star to use?gr.Remy

Exactly mate what ever one takes you nearest to the runway you want :(

First, you can get free the update to FSBuild 2.4 latest release if you have 2.3 from your order history link a simmarket.com.

Can only see version 2.3 on the simmarket site, Ron.Iain Smith

Once again thnx for all the information. Now i have a problem with the descending cause the fmc says often that the descending pad is unachievable i have to figure out how i can get that away and that it descents properly.Another question.When i save a flight with the ; button in FS2004 and later on i start that flight again, all my data from the FMC is lost and i have to put it in all again. This is with the PMDG 737. With the PMDG MD11 this does not occur and the data is still in the FMC. Is this a known problem? Cause when i like to practice f.e auto landings it is easier if i can save just before landing and then do that over and over again till it's good. Once again, i only have this problem with the pmdg 737, the pmdg MD11 works fine and the data stays in the FMC.thnx

Can only see version 2.3 on the simmarket site, Ron.Iain Smith

2.4 beta versions (.13 is the latest) are available on the forum at the fsbuild website.DJ

2.4 beta versions (.13 is the latest) are available on the forum at the fsbuild website.DJ

Thanks DJ. I'll wait until it's an official release.Iain