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NGX bird strike question

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Is there any bird strike scenarios included in NGX failure system and how deeply they are modelled if they are there?It would be nice to see broken windshields and random engine failures after strikes. Also differences between compressor ingestion and bypass ingestion would be cool!It has been pleasure to follow discussion during developement of ngx and highly appreciate your precision and "bug free launch" strategy!(sorry for bad english)Cheers,Tapio Leppäkoski

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How come everyone wants to break their shiny new NG?Seems like every other questions is, have you included simulated the wings falling off? etcAl

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Exactly my opinion. I want to fly from A to B. WITH A COMPLETE AIRCRAFT!!!! :( :(

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I'm not a computer programmer, but I would assume a broken windshield would not be possible. The developers have mentioned something about reaching a limit on animations, which I guess would not allow them to simulate what you are refering to.

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Totally agree about flying from point A to point B.. However different kind of failure scenarios gives great way to practice QRH abnormal flows and adds this way realism to simulator flying.Just my two Euros :Thinking:Tapio Leppäkoski

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I'm not a computer programmer, but I would assume a broken windshield would not be possible. The developers have mentioned something about reaching a limit on animations, which I guess would not allow them to simulate what you are refering to.
No animation required for this. You just place an overlay image of shattered glass on the cockpit window. It has been done in the LDS 767 (not sure if FS2Crew added this though).

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I just don't understand why nobody has asked about the coffee-spilled-in-lap failure, or the I-dropped-my-pen-between-the-seat-and-aft-electronics-panel failure. Our favorite is of course the I-have-a-worthless-FO failure. State of the art stuff. We'll just rip out all the stuff we've been working on for a couple of years and build a new plane full of bug splats and cracked glass, flushing lavs and never-ending cabin chimes.(yes, I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning Rolling%20Eyes.gif)

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I just don't understand why nobody has asked about the coffee-spilled-in-lap failure, or the I-dropped-my-pen-between-the-seat-and-aft-electronics-panel failure. Our favorite is of course the I-have-a-worthless-FO failure. State of the art stuff. We'll just rip out all the stuff we've been working on for a couple of years and build a new plane full of bug splats and cracked glass, flushing lavs and never-ending cabin chimes.(yes, I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning Rolling%20Eyes.gif)
Thanks for your answer, cleared this thing up!Tapio Leppäkoski

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Tapio if you are really insisting on the bird strike thing maybe you should have a look at the X-Plane 9.. With the recent add-on aircraft from J-Rollon and the updates in v9.70 (+plus some amazing addon scenery), the X-fliers are chasing us quite closely. On top of that they have nice additions implemented in the software, that we - the FS-fliers don't.[Disclaimer] I have all of the above and tried it, but no thanks.. I remain truly FSX dedicated fan..

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That would be cool! I'm awaiting to fly KATL-Glacier Park Intl. as it is the only 737NG route I'm interested in for Delta ops. The 777 will be a largely used product of mine, lets hope its quicker out than this...

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FSX doesn't even know where it's raining. And now you want it to know where birds are?

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Why is everyone getting so worked up? He asked a simple question, regarding one of the most common failures, if it's possible to replicate or not. I didn't see him "insisting on" anything.Sometimes I feel sorry for people who ask simple questions here. If it's not an easy thing to answer, suddenly everyone's if not ridiculing, at least criticizing the OP a lot.Kristoff, did it occur to you that a bird strike is something that usually causes a particular failure scenario / particular technical consequences. You don't need birds to simulate that kind of scenario.if PMDG is offering failures and a failure mode in the NGX, then it's completely OK to ask questions on failures here.Tero

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How about then the option to clean up the flight deck

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The ultimate option would be to grab that crash axe from the FD and rush out for a Mexican standoff with a "disruptive" pax armed with knife and fork from YC service...Black%20Eye.gif

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I never use failures. Just want to complete my flight.

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Our favorite is of course the I-have-a-worthless-FO failure.
This sounds like a fun feature. Maybe we can ask Bryan York to include it in his version of FS2Crew Voice Command for this aircraft. As far as a bird-strike animation, just throw a bottle of katchup on you monitor and yell "DUCK!!"

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That would be cool! I'm awaiting to fly KATL-Glacier Park Intl. as it is the only 737NG route I'm interested in for Delta ops. The 777 will be a largely used product of mine, lets hope its quicker out than this...
Ah yes....KGPI.. With temperatures in the S.E. as they have been for the last month, I'm looking forward to my annual to GPI..Beautiful temp's right now but way too much snow for the month of June on the GTTS road..:( jen noulet

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If the SDK allows triggering failures I guess it would be pretty simple for a 3rd party addon to add the birds graphically in the vecinity of airports, and then if the plane flies close enough, play some proper sounds and have an engine (or more) flame out

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Why is everyone getting so worked up? He asked a simple question, regarding one of the most common failures, if it's possible to replicate or not. I didn't see him "insisting on" anything.Sometimes I feel sorry for people who ask simple questions here. If it's not an easy thing to answer, suddenly everyone's if not ridiculing, at least criticizing the OP a lot.Kristoff, did it occur to you that a bird strike is something that usually causes a particular failure scenario / particular technical consequences. You don't need birds to simulate that kind of scenario.if PMDG is offering failures and a failure mode in the NGX, then it's completely OK to ask questions on failures here.Tero
Yes it has absolutely occurred to me, the reason for my response. Are they just going to crack random areas of the windshield? That part is a little ridiculous. Sounds like whoever wants a bird strike, for whatever reason, would be better off programming the failures associated with such an event manually. Whether it may be damage to the engines, or flight control surfaces, what you are suggesting can be done without any particular special 'bird strike' feature. Either way you'd need to either select random failures, or timed failures simply because the birds animated don't have an effect on aircraft. Nothing that can't be done through the failures module. If it's such a 'simple question' why is it not an easy thing to answer? It is an easy thing to answer. If PMDG does offer some kind of bird strike simulation, all the better. But it's not something that can't be simulated without one. (Minus the visual damage of course...)

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actualy smashing your monitor screen up to simulate a bird hitting it is going to work out cheaper than having a window smashed on a real aircraft =). As for engine bird strikes I recommend a cheap desk fan and a frozen chicken. I did not try this its just an idea. Heck put some fish out in the sunshine for a few hours and make a sandwich out of it, then you can simulate food poisoning on the flight deck :(

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FSX doesn't even know where it's raining. And now you want it to know where birds are?
LOL! I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt, when I was new to FSX I wasn't aware of it's limitations and just assumed things were possible because it's a computer program, how hard could it be to program? As talented as PMDG is, and even though they are capable of finding workarounds to some limitations in FSX, some things just aren't in the FSX code. I think the "other" flight simulator does allow bird strikes, but like turbulence in FSX, its completely random and unrealistic, and is better left out.

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