2 weeks ago I posted a couple of preview pics on a 733/4/5 panel I'm currently working on in the screenshot forum. Here is the linkhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=searchThe special thing is an unique photorealistic bitmap, which I use for this panel.Today now I had a closer look on the new uploads to the file library and came across an update for a 737-400 panel. You can imagine, how surprised and annoyed I was, when I found out that parts of my unique bitmap were used for the glareshield of this panel. The guy who designed the panel must have downloaded the pics I had posted at the screenshot forum and then edited them for his panel.I know, that many panel designers are using bitmaps of panels from other designers. That's ok, I think, but it would be a nice idea to ask.Also the situation in my case is a bit different. As I said, this is a unique bitmap, I'm working with and I would have liked to be the first one to release it. Now someone can get the impresseion this other guy was the original designer of the bitmap and I were just the plagiarist when I will release my panel later.I have not mentioned the name of the guy, becaus I want to know first, if you others also think, that this was not fair behavior and also I want to give the guy a chance to appologize.Wolfgang

Why not simply contact the library manager, explain your case, and even show "evidence" if needed? I'm sure they will enforce whatever is necessary to avoid anyone stepping on the toes of the other...We've seen this before in here with an aircraft which supposedly used not only bitmaps from a famous aircraft vendor, but looked to also use some "unique" design approaches for the flight model file...Hope this helps!

If he did indeed use your shots in his work without contacting you first for permission, then without question this is just plain wrong. If I were you I wouldn't hesitate to call him on it. But just for the sake of civility, I'd first be quite polite and simply explain that it appears that there are too many similarities between his work and yours and did he see that too. I find that giving people the benefit of the doubt is usually a good thing. I hope you can resolve it nicely, but that you get justice if it turns out that he did use your work.thanks,

Wolfgang,Sorry to hear of your experience. As Jean-Luc (happy new year by the way, J-L :-)) says, the file library staff will promptly deal with this matter if you write to them with the details. Rick Rossner is always very supportive : our C115 main panel art, complete, which was embedded in a gauge was ripped off via a screen shot in exactly the same way as your work was and was killed as soon as we told the library staff.No, it's not fair Wolfgang, you are entirely correct. These unfortunate events both discourage and dishearten developers of all ilk.Regards,http://www.fsd-international.com/team/Steve_signature.gif

Maybe the guy used this photo... It looks very much like your panel..http://www.airliners.net/open.file/410904/L/RJ

Hi Wolfgang,Here's a suggestion for the future. When posting screen shots of a unique work in progress, why not "watermark" your images? Many royalty free image houses do this and while it may not deter the hard core, for the most part. Because there's far too much work involved in trying to remove that watermark it would discourage the "average" free image hunter.Good luck and I hope things work out for the best!!Mikehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/madamo/boeingsig.jpg

Those two look about the same to me, at least it is most likely the same plane, as all the scratches, and even the dent on the dash appear to be the same.So maybe one of them is photographer, or took inside photos of the plane itself. It's possible.But the ease at finding this picture at a website, does kind of take away the uniqueness factor.I say, whomever has the permission of the original photographer wins.Regards,Joehttp://aboutpolitics.net/images/bannerav.gif.About Politics.net - FORUMShttp://pub162.ezboard.com/baboutpolitics.Contribute to the Richard Harvey Scholarship Fund.http://www.avsim.com/pages/scholarship.shtml

Yep, I gotta agree. Sorry, but I believe that it's the same photo, in which case you're only in the right if you obtained exclusive use permission from Luis Rosa (the photographer as listed on airliners.net). If you did not, then you're every bit as much in the wrong as the person you're accusing. After all, as it says right under the picture, "This photo is copyright protected and may not be used in any way without proper permission." Seems pretty clear to me. Of course, if you got permission from Mr. Rosa then happy panelling to you!

The image is question was definitely sourced from Luis' image. If you look at the far left, you'll see that the space between the uprights was not removed and it still has the ground from the original image showing. Hope that made sense.I agree that whomever has Mr. Rosa's permission to use this image is the only one in the right here.Jim

Hi Steve! Happy new year to you you and your familly!I've exchanged some emails lately with Tim but I'm starting to wonder what's going on between my email server and yours?!Drop me an email when you can. We'll sort this out!Best,Jean-Luc

Hi guys,thanks to everyone who responded. Yes, it is correect I used this particular photo of Luis Rosa for my bitmap. I have never claimed to have the copyright on this photo.What I claimed for me is, that I have searched the net to find an adequate pic for makeing a 737 panel (firstly only for my personal use), that I found Luis Rosa's pic under the hundreds or even thousands of 737 panel shots in the web and that I realized that this pic would be ideal for editing a panel. As you can see I have not just taken the original pic as it was, I found a proper section, had to remove shadows, skew the centre post, add the areas which were hidden by the yoke, painted the the area left of the panel, added reflection of the OMI and the watch there, and had still to be carefull not to destroy the overall "weathered" impression of the panel. All in all maybe not too much what I did but still..Luise Rosa had taken his photo in July 2003 and added it to airliners.net in August 2003. It is hard for me to believe that the other panel designer accidently had the same idea to use luis Rosa's photo out of the hundreds on the wwww. and to release his glareshield update just 2 weeks after I posted my preview. I still think he used my preview pic. Again, I do not have any copyrights, but I just thought this guy's action was not fair to edit my screenshot, thinking (from what he knew) that I have the copyright.But, after I have calmed down and bcause I do not have the copyright on the original photo, I must admit, that I was probably a bit shooting from the hip.BTW I do have the written permission of Luis Rosa to use his photo for my panel and off course he will be credited in the readme.Wolfgang

Simple answer is do not post previews of your work....either finish and upload or post really tiny preveiws! hehe regardsEd

Welcome to the world of flight sim :-lolIf you're not EXTREMELY careful, someone will #### you! :-lolcough cough fs pl#net cough cough