Threads complaining about the conduct of other posters never accomplish anything positive.

Threads complaining about the conduct of other posters never accomplish anything positive.

Perhaps, then maybe it's time for some administrator action to make the XPlane area one that's informative and actually benefits those off us who come here. If you fail to see the reasoning and logic in my post, I can't help that. If a few people would back off just a little bit and allow this forum group to be informative, instead of the constant "getting nowhere arguing" then maybe my words/wishes will have meant something.I see Mr. Allensworth has responded with some sound advice. Maybe you could contribute something useful yourself, instead of trying to antagonize, if those were your intentions? Maybe you were just stating something you believe to be factual?Glen

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I have been using flight sims since '97. I got my private pilot's license back in the late 70's, flew for a number of years then the hobby just got too expensive so I REALLY appreciate flight sims. I trained in Piper Tomahawks, flew Piper Warriors and an old Cherokee, also had quite a few hours in Cessna 150's and Citabria Decathlons. I have a wife and a 5 year old now (yah, I am 52 and have a 5 year old) so most of my simming is in the middle of the night on Friday and Saturday. I have the Saitek X52 Pro joystick and throttle and Saitek Proflight rudder pedals. I also have a Trackir 5. For me using flight sims a few hours a week is a quality of life booster.So, I was all over X-Plane 10 and got my discs this week. I used the installer sent to me via email and immediately ran the X-Plane 10 updater just after installation. When I started it up for the first time I had the X-Plane 10 desktop manual PDF pulled up on my ipad and followed the recommendations in the manual for setting up equipment and rendering options.I have a Dell XPS 8300 that I bought really cheap at Best Buy last January. It has an i7 2600 processor, 8 gig of system ram and a 1.5 TB hard drive. This computer with the i7 processor was on the shelves at Best Buy for less than a month and were all pulled due to a processor recall by Intel. Dell sent out a tech a few months later and swapped out my MB with an updated i7 processor for free. I have since updated the power supply to 650 watts (from 450) and installed an ATI 6950 video card with 2 gig of VRAM.Not the fastest rig on the planet but works pretty well for under $1500.00 total. I also have a Samsung 23" LED monitor that I got on sale.Every 4 years or so I buy a new computer then upgrade it as much as I can reasonably afford in order to run flight sims -- and, as I explained to my wife, to keep up with the technology for internet use and photo editing. Before my daughter came along I could actually do some simming during the day. Today is a rare day to devote to simming and writing about X-Plane 10. My daughter is sitting next to me drawing and dipping popcorn into chocolate pudding as a snack. She did eat all of her lunch.I guess flight simmers who have been at this for a while are not strangers to hardware and software problems. For us, using flight sims is an exercise in persistence -- and I think on a much grander scale it is the same for flight sim and airplane creators. Since MFS X stalled out X-Plane 10 is the biggest new evolution in the hobby -- taking advantage of new processors and video cards to produce more interesting and immersive effects.X-Plane 10 has just been released and The X-Plane creators have always been good about releasing updates often (I have been using X-Plane 9). No program this large and complex is going to be problem free right off the bat and I think the developers are still working on major elements of the program which will be released soon I am sure.For now I can start the program, use my equipment and fly around with no problems.So to get steady 30 + FPS I have the following basic settings:Number of airplanes set to 1 (just mine)Extreme Res16x aniostropic1920 x 1080 32 bitTrees: PopulatedObjects: defaultRoads: defaultCars: noneWorld distance: highairport detail: highShadow detail: overlay. I simlply can't use the global shadows without driving frame rates way down.Water relection detail: defaultHDR: on with all functions within special effects checkedHDR antialiasing set at FXAA. my machine can't handle the 4x setting. Remember to set the anti aliasing at thge top of the rendering screen to none. I think HDR is one of the major improvements so I want to use this even if it costs some frame rate.I have "file compression to save VRAM" unchecked and the amount of VRAM used indicated at the bottom of the screen says 1098.35 MB. My card has 2 gig of ram available and I wonder if the visual quality of texture is better without compression. I'll have to play with this.I also set number of cloud puffs to 25%. I like to see scattered clouds but they really cut into the frame rates. I may have to reduce this even more though.When I start the program, just before the airplane appears on the runway I get this weird silver block that covers half my screen and looks like a 3d image of a cone looking down from the top with reflection and shading. It goes away when the airplane appears on the runway. Not sure what that is all about but doesn't seem to affect the sim.Like every other sim I have used, I roll up my sleeves and persist to get it to a place I can fly reasonable well, then forget about what I can't change and enjoy the sim. My goal now is to take a Stinson into the Northwest and just fly in all kinds of simulated weather and terrain. I am not really into flying heavies -- not that I don't want to try but I just don't have the time. After a few hours this weekend of goofing with settings I think I have everything set optimally. Now to wait and see what future updates will provide -- and what new airplanes there are I can purchase. I'd like to virtual barnstorm in an old WACO biplane from one side of the US to the other (taking a special trip to Troy Ohio of course). And see if I can download real world weather as I go and flying if I can, not flying if weather is socked in, from way point to way point. Sort of a Richard Bach thing. Maybe I will run into a virtual Donald Shimoda on the way.I have learned to embrace a bit of philosophy -- there are no problems in the present moment. There are only two things you can ever do in the moment: either work to solve a problem/do something about it -- OR completely accept that there is nothing you can do. Acceptance is a powerful thing and necessary sometimes. Otherwise you create pain in your life. Eckhart Tolle explains all of that really well.So, change what you can -- improve your hardware as you can afford, provide feedback to the developers but if you simply can't run all of the renedering options maxed out then accept that and find a configuration that works AND FLY. Have fun.Off the soapbox.

“You may be right about X-Plane, but the RealAir Marchetti SF260 for FS9/FSX could easily do that maneuver (loop with a roll at the top) years ago. I've been a fan of the ReaiAir SF260 for a long time. I've flown the real one, and the Marchetti is much like my Van's RV6 in many ways. For a desktop sim, the RealAir product accelled at rudder control. Hammerheads, tailslides, & snap rolls are possible. Screw it up..........and it easily could develop into a spin. Even an inverted spin.”I think I am right about X-Plane because the modelling is restricted to 24degree AOA but I am happy to be informed otherwise.I am glad you feel that Rob Young’s masterpieces (and like you I’ve owned them all) give an accurate/immersive portrayal of these Supercritical manoeuvres.Unfortunately I don’t.This is to me “Painting By Numbers” (it has to be these are look up tables) admittedly brilliantly applied. Ah if only Rob Young had discovered X-plane before MSFS. If ever there was a case of a “Good Workman Legitimatly Blaming His Tools”. These are scripted events just like the cobra in Flanker (any version). But if this gives YOU the illusion of doing these manoeuvres ...great...it just doesn’t convince me.“I flew the Pitts S2B back in the mid-ninties, and have owned an RV6. I do know something about aerobatics.”Great aircraft. I part own and fly a Pitts S1S at the moment. I also know something about aerobatics...but not enough. I don’t think you ever know enough !!TIM

I think I am right about X-Plane because the modelling is restricted to 24degree AOA but I am happy to be informed otherwise.I am glad you feel that Rob Young’s masterpieces (and like you I’ve owned them all) give an accurate/immersive portrayal of these Supercritical manoeuvres.Unfortunately I don’t.This is to me “Painting By Numbers” (it has to be these are look up tables) admittedly brilliantly applied. Ah if only Rob Young had discovered X-plane before MSFS. If ever there was a case of a “Good Workman Legitimatly Blaming His Tools”. These are scripted events just like the cobra in Flanker (any version). But if this gives YOU the illusion of doing these manoeuvres ...great...it just doesn’t convince me.“I flew the Pitts S2B back in the mid-ninties, and have owned an RV6. I do know something about aerobatics.”Great aircraft. I part own and fly a Pitts S1S at the moment. I also know something about aerobatics...but not enough. I don’t think you ever know enough !!

Rob Young was as well aware of X-Plane as I was..................back in the FLY days, where he had his beginnings with redesigning the flight models for FLY.

Rob Young was as well aware of X-Plane as I was..................back in the FLY days, where he had his beginnings with redesigning the flight models for FLY.

A lot of time has passed between FLY! and XPX.

This is to me “Painting By Numbers” (it has to be these are look up tables) admittedly brilliantly applied. Ah if only Rob Young had discovered X-plane before MSFS. If ever there was a case of a “Good Workman Legitimatly Blaming His Tools”. These are scripted events just like the cobra in Flanker (any version). But if this gives YOU the illusion of doing these manoeuvres ...great...it just doesn’t convince me.

I'll address this topic a bit more. I don't care if it's lookup tables or blade element theory, In my book, the simulated airplane that provides the best illusion of a particular manuver with reasonably proper control inputs.........WINS! If I get a WOW factor from a particular sim, then great! My first WOW was from Pro-Pilot. It accomplished what FS98 didn't. Pro-Pilot actually tricked my brain into thinking I was really flying for those few minutes. It's great to see that Geof A. has now gotten that WOW factor with the Carenado Bonanza and X-Plane 10. We both thought the same of Pro-Pilot.I don't consider lookup tables as scripted events. I have used many arcade type sims, in which the script has to run itself through. An example is spins. No matter what anti-spin controls I would apply, the simulated airplane would spin a preset amount of times........before any changes would occur. The only thing that lookup tables can't do...........is come up with projected modeling of what a new design will do. Other than that, they're very well capable of providing the illusion and proper results. In fact, sometimes, there even better at "exact" mimicking of the real airplanes performance.L.Adamson

The ORBX forum is an utter bore, imagine life with no conflict or opposing views.To the OP: I personally enjoy the banter that goes on in this forum, sure some of it seems to get a bit out of hand but remember a forum on the internet is not real life.In real life you probably would not find people interacting with each other in the same way that they do here, either for fear of a punch on the nose or out of respect which people often find for each other face to face.Don't take it to seriously is all I'm saying.Bryan.

I was booted out the ORBX forum for using CAPS, lol...Those guys need to lighten up a bit, they are to straight edge.So watch out when dot your i's and cross your t's, lol....

I have been using flight sims since '97. I got my private pilot's license back in the late 70's, flew for a number of years then the hobby just got too expensive so I REALLY appreciate flight sims. I trained in Piper Tomahawks, flew Piper Warriors and an old Cherokee, also had quite a few hours in Cessna 150's and Citabria Decathlons. I have a wife and a 5 year old now (yah, I am 52 and have a 5 year old) so most of my simming is in the middle of the night on Friday and Saturday. I have the Saitek X52 Pro joystick and throttle and Saitek Proflight rudder pedals. I also have a Trackir 5. For me using flight sims a few hours a week is a quality of life booster.So, I was all over X-Plane 10 and got my discs this week. I used the installer sent to me via email and immediately ran the X-Plane 10 updater just after installation. When I started it up for the first time I had the X-Plane 10 desktop manual PDF pulled up on my ipad and followed the recommendations in the manual for setting up equipment and rendering options.I have a Dell XPS 8300 that I bought really cheap at Best Buy last January. It has an i7 2600 processor, 8 gig of system ram and a 1.5 TB hard drive. This computer with the i7 processor was on the shelves at Best Buy for less than a month and were all pulled due to a processor recall by Intel. Dell sent out a tech a few months later and swapped out my MB with an updated i7 processor for free. I have since updated the power supply to 650 watts (from 450) and installed an ATI 6950 video card with 2 gig of VRAM.Not the fastest rig on the planet but works pretty well for under $1500.00 total. I also have a Samsung 23" LED monitor that I got on sale.Every 4 years or so I buy a new computer then upgrade it as much as I can reasonably afford in order to run flight sims -- and, as I explained to my wife, to keep up with the technology for internet use and photo editing. Before my daughter came along I could actually do some simming during the day. Today is a rare day to devote to simming and writing about X-Plane 10. My daughter is sitting next to me drawing and dipping popcorn into chocolate pudding as a snack. She did eat all of her lunch.I guess flight simmers who have been at this for a while are not strangers to hardware and software problems. For us, using flight sims is an exercise in persistence -- and I think on a much grander scale it is the same for flight sim and airplane creators. Since MFS X stalled out X-Plane 10 is the biggest new evolution in the hobby -- taking advantage of new processors and video cards to produce more interesting and immersive effects.X-Plane 10 has just been released and The X-Plane creators have always been good about releasing updates often (I have been using X-Plane 9). No program this large and complex is going to be problem free right off the bat and I think the developers are still working on major elements of the program which will be released soon I am sure.For now I can start the program, use my equipment and fly around with no problems.So to get steady 30 + FPS I have the following basic settings:Number of airplanes set to 1 (just mine)Extreme Res16x aniostropic1920 x 1080 32 bitTrees: PopulatedObjects: defaultRoads: defaultCars: noneWorld distance: highairport detail: highShadow detail: overlay. I simlply can't use the global shadows without driving frame rates way down.Water relection detail: defaultHDR: on with all functions within special effects checkedHDR antialiasing set at FXAA. my machine can't handle the 4x setting. Remember to set the anti aliasing at thge top of the rendering screen to none. I think HDR is one of the major improvements so I want to use this even if it costs some frame rate.I have "file compression to save VRAM" unchecked and the amount of VRAM used indicated at the bottom of the screen says 1098.35 MB. My card has 2 gig of ram available and I wonder if the visual quality of texture is better without compression. I'll have to play with this.I also set number of cloud puffs to 25%. I like to see scattered clouds but they really cut into the frame rates. I may have to reduce this even more though.When I start the program, just before the airplane appears on the runway I get this weird silver block that covers half my screen and looks like a 3d image of a cone looking down from the top with reflection and shading. It goes away when the airplane appears on the runway. Not sure what that is all about but doesn't seem to affect the sim.Like every other sim I have used, I roll up my sleeves and persist to get it to a place I can fly reasonable well, then forget about what I can't change and enjoy the sim. My goal now is to take a Stinson into the Northwest and just fly in all kinds of simulated weather and terrain. I am not really into flying heavies -- not that I don't want to try but I just don't have the time. After a few hours this weekend of goofing with settings I think I have everything set optimally. Now to wait and see what future updates will provide -- and what new airplanes there are I can purchase. I'd like to virtual barnstorm in an old WACO biplane from one side of the US to the other (taking a special trip to Troy Ohio of course). And see if I can download real world weather as I go and flying if I can, not flying if weather is socked in, from way point to way point. Sort of a Richard Bach thing. Maybe I will run into a virtual Donald Shimoda on the way.I have learned to embrace a bit of philosophy -- there are no problems in the present moment. There are only two things you can ever do in the moment: either work to solve a problem/do something about it -- OR completely accept that there is nothing you can do. Acceptance is a powerful thing and necessary sometimes. Otherwise you create pain in your life. Eckhart Tolle explains all of that really well.So, change what you can -- improve your hardware as you can afford, provide feedback to the developers but if you simply can't run all of the renedering options maxed out then accept that and find a configuration that works AND FLY. Have fun.Off the soapbox.

Concerning your artifact you may want to check this link, it sounds like you may have a varietion of this bug which you may be able to fix by changing one thing in your video card settings. Also try turning of vsync, I had the problem that the setting screens and splash screens filled the sky, this link fixed it. http://www.x-plane.com/blog/2011/12/an-awesome-nvidia-artifact/

“I'll address this topic a bit more.”You don’t need to.I personally have had this particular discussion with you at length in the recent past in which we politely and respectfully disagreed. No problem. Like you I keep an open mind I am not a zealot for any particular sim (and Fly did have its moments not least bringing PMDG into existence)... It’s all an illusion.We are both extremely privileged to have been able to fly these wonderful aeroplanes. Many simmers unfortunately are not and fulfil their dream of flight through computer simulations. When someone quotes their real world experience in part to justify their remarks I always like to step in (much like yourself) if I feel differently; just to give other simmers a broader view.You with your experience feel that MFSF can provide you with an illusion of supercritical manoeuvres.I with my experience...don’t. Simple.It’s all a case of balanceTIM