I believe that MS is doing the right things with the free FLIGHT.

Their PR department is certainly performing flawlessly, hardly a bad word about Microsoft Flight anywhere!

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by mmann

1. A new sim is good for the everyone.I'll maybe give you that one. Is it a sim?2. FLIGHT is scalable , both regarding sceneries and airplanesOn MS terms only. Want that local airport custom modeled? Ask in their forum.3. FLIGHT is based on a modern 3D engineSame engine with enhancements to take the load off the CPU and more efficiently use the GPU4. FLIGHT will introduce new simmers to the flightsim arenaI'll give you that one too! the Xbox crowd is bound to enjoy at least the freebie download5. FLIGHT will just be better and better with every new addonWith 25-30 free enhancements a day?(That's average total FSX uploads per day among the libraries I check)6. FLIGHT can be developed further according to the market demandsSince when are they gonna take requests and act on them?7. FLIGHT will introduce both commercial and free addonsThe only difference from today is MS alone will control all content8. FLIGHT will grow into the future.IMO, Pipedream...I had high hopes for FS2000 and Vista too...

Please tell me you'r color blind.....

After Flight is released, we'll all have to wait and see what add-ons MS will make available. Right now Flight seems little less than an arcade game, but things could change in the future.Perhaps MS itself doesn't know where development will be headed as it watches how fFlight is used, so it behooves us die-hard simmers to use Flight as much as possible (hopefully via a third-party bot so we can run Flight in the backgound) so MS "sees" our "serious use of Flight"· and develops the apps we need.Heck, MS played us (so far) with the press releases, we can play them as well :Big Grin:Cheers,- jahman.

There is a poll in Flight's thread started by Tom asking if we are welling to buy addons (if MS release some) for Flight's and how much we are welling to pay for them ...if the money is there they will make them.I guess price = GB and quality.

Even if devlopers WANT to do an addon, its going to be very difficult without an SDK!

"Microsoft must think that sophisticated add-ons are as easy to make as i-phone aps..."HA! we will see how great their "add-ons" are going to be :(

No it's not! It's a slap in the face to loyal customers and the the word "SIM"

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by rs651

Even if devlopers WANT to do an addon, its going to be very difficult without an SDK!

I was thinking more about MS making them....

I was thinking more about MS making them....

Yeah, because they have such a great track record of high quality aiplane addon's. Not a single MS aiplane is capable of a proper slip, not one. I think the last MS addon I purchased was S.E. USA Scenery Pack for FS4. Seriously.And what of the folks that bring us all the great addons we actually use? They fold up shop and move on (what's the name of that truck driving school we saw on TV? Truckmaster I think it was...). Hardly the way to treat them.Flight is not good for flight sim enthusiasts, in any way beyond possibly being a gateway drug for this hobby, and thats a stretch.

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by gmohr

Perhaps MS itself doesn't know where development will be headed as it watches how fFlight is used, so it behooves us die-hard simmers to use Flight as much as possible (hopefully via a third-party bot so we can run Flight in the backgound) so MS "sees" our "serious use of Flight"· and develops the apps we need.

I don't follow the logic??? If Flight doesn't have AI planes, ATC, navaids, fully operable control switches, weather, etc., how will monitoring our usage develop the apps we need? MS is simply going to see that we don't play with the fluffy stuff and fly VFR. How is that going to help develop all the things we want?The only way MS is going to know is by people telling them and voting with their wallets, not by using the silly thing!

Sarcasm?

Yes. But at least the phrase "hurrah for flight" has now been used for the first time. MS will probably put it on the box as a quote.:)

I don't follow the logic??? If Flight doesn't have AI planes, ATC, navaids, fully operable control switches, weather, etc., how will monitoring our usage develop the apps we need? MS is simply going to see that we don't play with the fluffy stuff and fly VFR. How is that going to help develop all the things we want?The only way MS is going to know is by people telling them and voting with their wallets, not by using the silly thing!

Good point!All we have to do is:

1. while:
2. ... (
3. ... all simmers
4. ... fly away from Hawaii in any direction
5. ... until the fuel runs out and
6. ... then Splash!
7. ... )
8. Repeat until MS listens.

Cheers,- jahman.

Edited January 6, 201214 yr by jahman

The only think that could make FLIGHT worse, if if it gets bundled and made part of the Operating system of Windows 8. in such a way that it cannot be removed.

I would surmise that Microsoft looks at all of this discussion about Flight as nothing more than slightly distracting noise in the total scheme of things.If Microsoft was serious about extending the Flight Simulator line, why didn't they actively solicit comment, response and suggestion in these Forums and others like ACES did?Microsoft's intent all along was to create a product suited to the masses; the GTA, Battlefield 3, Angry Birds and Need For Speed demographic. If it wasn't, why was Joshua Howard(EP of the Flight team) quoted as saying that the current Flight Simulator family (FS9, FSX) was "... too obtuse, dense, and hard to get into."?It's because Microsoft looks at the dedicated FS community (us) as too 'cerebral'; just a small, outspoken fringe element in the vast vortex of the Gaming universe. They want participantsand customers who are looking for an easy way to get into the sky... something that offers burps and whistles, clicks and groans without having to learn very much about how to actually FLY.Stick with what you have... FSX, FS 9, or XP. Improve on it as much as your wallet and imagination will allow. Get as much enjoyment, immersion and satisfaction out of the program as you can.Leave the 'next generation' of FS to the developers involved in the hobby intimately. Leave LM out of it... their objectives are distinctly different than ours, although it's good to see John Nicolhave an opinion about the issue. Inundating the Preapr3d Forums with begging and pleading will do nothing but alienate our community with another business entity who just so happens tobe as big a fish, if not bigger, than Microsoft is.By now, all of the 3rd party developers know what the scoop is. It's their decision whether or not to take the next step and create a Simulator of their own.-- Just an opinion from the wilderness; a nobody who just happened to be following the Flight Forum...Joshua Howard references:http://venturebeat.c...into-new-skies/

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by ViperPilot

Im not sure what is "good" about this sim. Obviously I have not used it, But it does not sound promising I personally was looking forward to a simulation product that would modernize fax and bring us a great experience . ( with spending more and more on hardware.)Mostly I was looking for a hoping for performance improvements over fax without breaking the bank I even stopped all modifications and tweaks until I saw what was coming down the pipe with "flight".I am a real life pilot with tons of fs9 and fax time, who enjoys the simulation and thought that MS was going to build an enhanced product to address the shortcomings of the fax productGiven this news and the fact that most likely any real sim experience is not going to happen from MS for a very long time,( if ever ) I think the best direction may be to go back and figure out how to build, tweak and unfortunately spend more money trying to get fax to work wellPeter