January 6, 201214 yr A lot of people on here are kicking up a Fuss over flight and refusing to try it... ITS FREE FOR GODS SAKE?In the long run exposing the flight sim world to newer people may be better as gaining exposure to Flight will inevitably make newcomers want more once they get into it. If all goes well flight may well evolve into the sim we have all been hoping for... However trying to kill off the game will NOT make Microsoft think "Hey, Maybe we should revive the Flight Sim series" it will lead them to give up on the genre for good. I just see so many users hating flight with a passion and making lame jokesI reckon flight is the gateway to a new generation. Trying to pick up a new fanbase before turning back to what we wanted.
January 6, 201214 yr Hi Kishan,There are good threads on this topic already, I suggest you read through them. The problem most have with Flight is the closed nature of the platform. Newcomers are great, but they won't give us the deep and interesting environments and systems we expect in flight sims, 3rd party developers do that, and Flight excludes them. I think most of us look at flight as a huge step backwards.Are these great 3rd party companies supposted to wait around for three years or so for MS to grow flight. Could you skip a couple years of paychecks? Don't take this ecosystem for granted.Regards,George Edited January 6, 201214 yr by gmohr
January 6, 201214 yr Author I understand all of the arguments of many functions that are probably going to be stripped from flight. Its a step foward in some aspects although I dont think we'll see these chages (Graphical + Performace) in a fully featured simulator unless flight becomes a success with its target market (MOSTLY, not us) If flight is a big financial success the bigwigs at Microsoft will sure allow a bigger Budget for development of any future sims but again this is all dependant on flights success. Developers are entitles to develop products for the Flight Store its just that they were not happy with the Cut MS was taking out of the downloads. The massive exposure could have actually benefited them though regardless of the smaller profit margins but it is a bit of a gamble for them to be honest. Flight itself isn't a godsend, It POTENTIALLY could be our gateway to the future of Flight Sim but for the foreseeing future we will have to stick with FSX/FS9 and give flight our moral support and not bash it which is hard to do considering the way we have been treated by Microsoft lol Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Kishan
January 6, 201214 yr Hi Kishan,There are good threads on this topic already, I suggest you read through them. The problem most have with Flight is the closed nature of the platform. Newcomers are great, but they won't give us the deep and interesting environments and systems we expect in flight sims, 3rd party developers do that, and Flight excludes them. I think most of us look at flight as a huge step backwards.Are these great 3rd party companies supposted to wait around for three years or so for MS to grow flight. Could you skip a couple years of paychecks? Don't take this ecosystem for granted.Regards,GeorgeAnd to think that Flight1, PMDG, Eaglesoft & Aerosoft are the ONLY POSSIBLE Flight Sim developers that can get it right is pretty closed minded. Good thing Ma Bell is still around and owns APPLE! I'm sure with all the Apple/Android/WP7 developers they're very unhappy about the 70/30 split. Actually after $25,000 Microsoft goes to eighty/20 split. I for one AM a developer and will find out about the opportunities that MAY exist for Flight development as well. Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Id Rather Be Flying
January 6, 201214 yr It's not a matter of choosing to boycott, its just that 99% of flight simmers won't be interested anyway and in effect will be a boycott..
January 6, 201214 yr This place doesnt even represent 0.01% of gamers in the world, they can boycot it as much as they like, wont have any influence at all on Flight succes or fail.
January 6, 201214 yr And to think that Flight1, PMDG, Eaglesoft & Aerosoft are the ONLY POSSIBLE Flight Sim developers that can get it right is pretty closed minded. Good thing Ma Bell is still around and owns APPLE!I'd suggest it is pretty closed minded to cast aside the companies that have performed and delivered for us for years, just because MS decides it should be so. Sorry, I can't follow your apathy here.Regards,George
January 6, 201214 yr When MS closed Aces Studios the uproar was even worse. Did they listen then? Absolutely not. MS will NOT listen to the fans, ever. They've made that apparent. The only way for them to get the hint is to not buy any of the add-ons. Sure, it may kill Flight, but at this point who cares? It will show MS people don't want it. And if they don't want to make a new FS, then fine, we've got plenty of alternatives out there.The biggest thing is that nobody will want to play this game and buy the add-ons. Flying games don't sell well to begin with, unless they're true simulators with hype behind them. Look at Ace Combat. Assault Horizon was terrible and didn't sell that well. Most gamers don't touch anything that has to do with flying. Most want RPG's and FPS games. If MS thinks that the general masses will love this game and buy the add-ons, they're wrong. After they figure out that people really wanted a new simulator and the masses don't like it, they'll get the hint.Just look at their Facebook page. 95% of the comments are negative. Edited January 6, 201214 yr by pilot_tofly
January 6, 201214 yr Boycotting Flight is a light reaction but you are right, better to stay within the legal perimeter.The funny side of the story is that MS itself grooved Flight's grave :(- Edited January 6, 201214 yr by Mark II
January 7, 201214 yr A lot of people on here are kicking up a Fuss over flight and refusing to try it... ITS FREE FOR GODS SAKE?One island with 2 GA aircraft, what a bargain! The FSX demo had more than this,In the long run exposing the flight sim world to newer people may be better as gaining exposure to Flight will inevitably make newcomers want more once they get into it. There is nothing wrong with bringing in new blood, the "boycott" idea is for those of us who are already in this hobby and Flight does't offer content for us, so why should we even bother?If all goes well flight may well evolve into the sim we have all been hoping for... If it "evolves". Flight is optimized for casual gamers, if they get bored (which will happen) they won't buy the add-ons, M$ gets no revenue to fund anything beyond GA and Hawaii and MS Flight dies.Right now there is nothing that really appeals to simmers (we don't collect gold coins or fly through tunnels looking for 'aero-caches') and the limited enviroment and aircraft greatly limit the ability to adequately simulate.However trying to kill off the game will NOT make Microsoft think "Hey, Maybe we should revive the Flight Sim series" it will lead them to give up on the genre for good.MS gave up on the genre when they closed a studio responsible for a 20 year-old profit making franchise.Flight is not meant for the "simmer" market, it's meant for the PilotWings arcadey fun flying market.The hope the community has is that if Flight flops, MS will realize the mistake of "reconcieving" the software and make an honest MSFS-XI to recoup the lost investment with the "new" approach.I just see so many users hating flight with a passion and making lame jokesWhy should we look at it positively? Flight has nothing FS9/FSX don't have, sure Flight looks prettier,but it's just Hawaii and nobody sims solely over Hawaii.And with respect to the "pretty" scenery, payware addons for FS9/FSX can match that detail over a greater area of coverage than the Hawaiian chain. But that's "expensive", not compared to Flight's DLC approach. The 'premium' we pay for with the generic world in FS9/FSX is well worth it for long haul flyers and for GA flyers who want to fly over the vast stretches of the world third parties have yet to touch.I reckon flight is the gateway to a new generation. Trying to pick up a new fanbase before turning back to what we wanted.MS should've been more open about that then...and a jet or two should've been thrown in since most "casual" people find single prop GA "boring"
January 7, 201214 yr Moderator Actually a helicopter would have been a much better choice for "exploring the big island..." Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
January 7, 201214 yr Actually a helicopter would have been a much better choice for "exploring the big island..."A flamin bike would do the job. Since M$ have once again stabbed us in the back and turned the knife, ( Same happened to the train simmers with the cancelled MSTS 2), I just went outside and placed my M$ keyboard on the road, an 18 wheeler took care of that. It was purley symbolic and it gave me the warm fuzzies. System: MSFS2024, ASUS Rog Stryx Z790-A, Intel i9-14900KF, Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 , Asus Hyperion Case,Rog Stryx 4090 OC, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD, 1Tb Samsung 860 EVO SSD,64Gb G Skill Memory, Asus Aura 1200W Gold PSU,Win 11 ,LG C4 48" 4K OLED Screen., Airbus TCA Full Kit, Stream Deck XL. WinWing FCU, EFIS, MCDU
January 7, 201214 yr A flamin bike would do the job. Since M$ have once again stabbed us in the back and turned the knife, ( Same happened to the train simmers with the cancelled MSTS 2), I just went outside and placed my M$ keyboard on the road, an 18 wheeler took care of that. It was purley symbolic and it gave me the warm fuzzies.I feel you mate, I still remember what those Microsofts did to Train Simulator 2....yes I still remember. Now Flight and soon another classy M$ touch will hit.What a poor company M$ is, really. Edited January 7, 201214 yr by Mark II