what is the best 727

[scandinavian13 5,192]

You both misinterpreted each other. We get it....or if it's easier, maybe we can find a better metaphor.

Edited January 12, 2012 by scandinavian13

[deeknow 10]

As a side note, I mentioned the CIVA INS can't be integrated, but the vast majority of 727s just used old school (radio) nav, if I remember correctly. As an example, I believe FDX operated their 72s as old school nav*. I just figured it was worth noting for those who were wondering (which is how DF and CS modeled it).

Thanks again Kyle. Always wondered just how sophisticated the modern configuration would be. There's a DHL 727 freighter that until a few months ago was operating between Auckland (near to me) and Sydney, I'm sure they must use INS being oceanic and all, no VORs out in the deep-blue. I'll have to check out that CIVA INS, have just started reading up on the INS in the Simcheck A300, really want to get my head around it.

[ZachLW 37]

You're welcome.As a side note, I mentioned the CIVA INS can't be integrated, but the vast majority of 727s just used old school (radio) nav, if I remember correctly. As an example, I believe FDX operated their 72s as old school nav*. I just figured it was worth noting for those who were wondering (which is how DF and CS modeled it).* - If you look up even a more recent FDX 722 flight plan, you'll find they file /W, meaning RVSM. E, F, G and R all mean RVSM with advanced nav (FMS/GNS/RNP), so /W just means RVSM but without the fancy new stuff.

That's right. A few FDX 72's have GPS. I was in one in Greenville/Spartanburg that happened to have a GPS equipped. It was coupled to the A/P.Also, interestingly enough, I believe the 727 is a more senior plane at FedEx (as far as FedEx goes). Mainly because it's domestic and therefore more week on/week off. That is, it's a much better schedule! Of course they're being replaced with the 757 now. Edited January 12, 2012 by ZachLW

[larrywell 0]

Hey Dean,Sure! First, as an owner of the DF727 as well (bought the CS because it was native FSX and I didn't realize I could've ported the DF727), the DF727 had me spoiled, and the CS honestly didn't live up to its standard.I'll have to go back into it and rip it apart again to find all of the issues, but off the top of my head, here are a few things:-Using the default Cessna shut down and a swap to the CS727 causes issues if you turn the battery and alternator off. Pulling the mixture out also causes an issue. What happens is, on the start, you'll have battery power for as long as the battery can push current. Basically, the CS battery switch works, but the generators don't flip the GEN switch for FS, so if you flipped the ALTernator switch in the Cessna, your systems are going to die somewhere in the taxi or on departure. Most other developers tie the GEN switches in the plane to the FS GEN switches to avoid this. Furthermore, the CS727's fuel knobs on the pedestal don't control the mixture control for FS, meaning, if you shut down the default Cessna using the mixture knob, you're going to have to push it back in before loading the CS727 (or hit CTRL+SHIFT+F4 when you get in the CS727). Sure, the workarounds are easy (keyboard shortcuts to turn on the GENs and the mixture), but it detracts from the overall realism. My fuel levers in the CS727 should be flipping the fuel levers (or overriding the fuel system of FS). It's nearly an industry standard now (like the carb heat always being on in turboprops/fuel injected props, because the sim doesn't differentiate).-In addition to the GEN knobs not controlling the actual GENs in the sim, the electric phase knobs do nothing in the CS727. With the DF727, they at least work as eye candy (you have to adjust them to put the gen in phase, but it won't adversely affect the flight if you don't).-I remember some issue with the pneumatic system, where the APU didn't work as it should (as is modeled in the DF727), but I'd have to go back and check to confirm. The packs also have some quirk to them.-I also feel like the fuel system and hydraulics had some dodgy quirk, but I can't remember it off the top of my head (I'll check tonight, as in the case above).-You cannot integrate the CIVA INS to have it run the AP. The AP had some quirks as well (yes, I know it's not your standard AP, but I got it to work properly with the DF727).The rest of the aircraft is stellar. The VC and 2D pop-ups are actually reasonably well done (not NGX quality in crispness and frame friendliness), but CS is really good at getting models to look good, and it shows. Visually, it's great. If you don't mind the systems not working up to par (as in, not operating them properly still lets you slide by), then it's a perfect fit.I, however, can't deal with not having consequences for not operating the aircraft properly.Hope that helps some.

That's what i want to know, because i wish to install fsx but i love dreamfleet 727 and it's not for fsx,

I second the Dreamfleet 727. That was my second payware add on, and still a favorite. She's aged, but for the old Boeing systems she's still a decent purchase.Porting to FSX is possible (but it's clunky), and the aircraft configurator (very neat feature) causes a few issues in Windows 7 64b that can be easily fixed.

• Sounds are good
• FDE feels great, though roll rate seems somewhat off. I'm not type rated so take it for what it is.
• The VC is old. 2Ds are used for the engineer's panel, but this is the only aircraft I didn't mind 2D panels
• Systems are excellent. Fuel distribution, APU. It's all there and correct. I have a good bit of time on my school's 727 engineer seat. (Yes, we have a real working 727)

Finally, Flight1 has a great refund policy. If it's not your cup of tea, uninstall it (first) and get your refund.

WOOWW!! and do you know how to do that?

[audiohavoc 24]

I thought I heard Dreamfleet was working on an FSX native version of their 727. I really hope so, but as stated before, the Coolsky DC-9 might fulfill my vintage jetliner desires if its systems and FDE are up to PMDG/LDS standards.

[Superpilotv2 2]

Dreamfleet 727sThey're not native to FSX, though. I believe it'll work in FSX, but it wasn't developed for it.

I highly second that!!! It´s a masterpeice of addon! In my eyes better than the FS9 737 by PMDG, maybe the best one for FS9 ever made.

the Coolsky DC-9 might fulfill my vintage jetliner desires if its systems and FDE are up to PMDG/LDS standards.

This one seems also to be no brainer for me. I´m currently flying the NGX all arround but with such nice old school planes arround, it´s allways nice to get a plane with a bit more "handwork" and start flying by yourselfe and not by the FMC. :(

[Superpilotv2 2]

Do yo own the CS 727 too Zach? Be interested to hear your comparison of the two offerings.

Well, I´m not Zach but I own both. The boxed DF727 and the CS 727 X. Back in FS9 I made a lot of flights with RW schedules up and down the west coast for FDX. I memeber the LDA approach in San Diego very well, it was allways nice to get that old "fuel to noise converter" down there. The DF flew by the numbers and I never had any quirk with the systems which seemd pretty accurate. I got the CS one on their 10€ sale and haven´t really flown it till now. All I can say without a deeper look into is that the outside and VC look pretty nice, all textures reasonably sharp and good looking. I had problems with no sound in VC but after checking their forums I got that fixed. If you guys want it, I can take adeeper look into the CS 727 and try to make an comparison.

[Angelo Cosma 61]

Everything I purchased from Captain Sim I instantly regretted no matter how many additional chances I gave them. I didn't screw myself too bad though, most of the items I bought were during the Christmas $9.99 sale. But I have their 757 for both FS9 and FSX as well as the FSX 767-300. I will admit their external and internal visuals are really good (they really are that good), the rest of the plane is rubbish unfortunately. From the sound-sets sounding god awful, and having no real difference from say a GE to a RR engine. The flight dynamics feel way off the plane flies the same whether it is at MAX gross, or flying empty. I know CS isn't known to model systems very well so I won't scrutinize them over that, but basic things like needing hydraulic pressure to operate a control surface has been overlooked (you can fly the airplane with no HYD's on). When flying a CATIII approach once established on the ILS at say 2,500 feet and clicking approach mode you are supposes to get all three CMD's lit, but this does not happen until 1,500ft. The GPWS callouts are also really poorly done, easily replaceable but still the end-user shouldn't have to do this. The list goes on and I have been giving them second chances since FS9 days, I recently just gave them another, who knows how many additional chances now with their new service pack for the 767 version 1.5, and again I was let down.I really have to say, BUYER Beware on this one guys.If systems and realism is your thing, you may want to steer clear from these guys, although I do have my fingers crossed that they will make me retract my statement on their upcoming 737-100 and 200.

[Nixon 30]

The Dreamflight 727 is the only plane I miss since switching to FSX. If anyone knows how to install it into FSX I and am certain others would love to know.

[WR269 367]

I have to join the bandwagon here, i loved the DF 727....in fsx i had an itch for old analogue iron and bought the latest cs707. Graphics and eye candy were mouthwatering, the rest poor.You can open a cockpit window in flight in about all the captain sim aircraft add ons (727, herc, 707) and nothing happens, no wind noise, external noise, drop in cabin pressure, nothing. You can start engines without fuel or bleed air in some models, and there is no such thing as a hot start. You can shut down after a long flight, restart and all engines are the same temperature, and all dials refuse to move to any other value.Another fs9 bird i miss is the Ready For Pushback 747.

[rototom 198]

I have to join the bandwagon here, i loved the DF 727....in fsx i had an itch for old analogue iron and bought the latest cs707. Graphics and eye candy were mouthwatering, the rest poor. You can open a cockpit window in flight in about all the captain sim aircraft add ons (727, herc, 707) and nothing happens, no wind noise, external noise, drop in cabin pressure, nothing. You can start engines without fuel or bleed air in some models, and there is no such thing as a hot start. You can shut down after a long flight, restart and all engines are the same temperature, and all dials refuse to move to any other value. Another fs9 bird i miss is the Ready For Pushback 747.

I guess the developers weren't expecting you to open the window in flight. That doesn't seem very realistic. I actually think that opening the windows adds nothing to the experience and should be left out of the model. If Captian Sim spend less time on these useless animations and more time on systems and testing, they would be contenders. they would probably save some frames too. LevelD being a good example of this type of model. Edited January 26, 2012 by CXA546