I don't really get on with TrackIR

For me TrackIR is a freaky RW experience, e.g. when turning onto the RWAY and you look down the centerline with the VC cockpit turning all around you, it's so real it almost "smells like a jet cockpit"!Me, I'm waiting for EZDOK v. 2.0 and I'm off to the races!Cheers,- jahman.

Hello guys, I currently have the video card (HD7970) how ever there are no drivers available at the AMD website so I will wait for them to come up with the 79xx version of their Catalyst software to then proceed with the benchmark. How ever I ran the benchmark, after a clean FSX installation with Service Pack 2 (no Deluxe Edition) and after following all the steps from the PDF file that came with the folder for the benchmark. I ran it two times and my results wereFrames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg (No FSX.CFG modificaton) 5117, 300000, 11, 28, 17.057Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg (Aft FSX.CFG modification as indicated by the PDF file) 5459, 300000, 11, 32, 18.197My system specs are CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T @ 4.0 GHz RAM: 2X4GB 1600 MHz GPU: Power Color HD7970 3gb HDD: Western Digital 7200 rpm 1TB

Something doesn't feel right...The AMD 1075T @ 3Ghz with a GTX560 that features in the official FSXmark11 results gotavg 22.2min 14.7max 31.0You have pretty much the same max FPS, but a lot lower min and avg. But your cpu is 33% faster... Somthing doesn't feel rightDid you do four runs for each test discarding the first one and calculating the average from the remaining three?

Something doesn't feel right...The AMD 1075T @ 3Ghz with a GTX560 that features in the official FSXmark11 results gotavg 22.2min 14.7max 31.0You have pretty much the same max FPS, but a lot lower min and avg. But your cpu is 33% faster... Somthing doesn't feel rightDid you do four runs for each test discarding the first one and calculating the average from the remaining three?

Well, I only did two tests, in the second one I got avg 18, and I decided to stop testing and wait for AMD to release drivers to continue testing. I'll see if I can test the HD7970 on my friends i7 2600K.

"there are no drivers available at the AMD website"Not sure I understand what you are saying - no drivers for the 7970? How can you test it without drivers? I went to AMD site and this is what I found:http://support.amd.c...RC11Driver.aspxBut definately interested on how it runs with the 2600K. Thx.

Edited February 1, 201214 yr by Clutch Cargo

He's right...AMD just released 12.2 drivers but I don't think they are optimized for the 79XX yet....and more bad news as it seems as if these cards are not being optimized for DX9 apps. DX10 and DX11 are in their sights. Having read and said that, nVidia GTX580 or their new Kepler might end up being a better option to reduce stutters with forms of AA. Not sure about shimmering though. I think waiting for Kepler would be a wise decision at this point if not in any hurry to upgrade your GPU.As an aside, I tried to upgrade my drivers last night on my Win7x64 test rig with the ATI5850 to v.12.2 and the machine hung up??? Had to revert back down. I understand the 12.X drivers have some added methods of smoothing and profiles they can be saved into.

I too still fly FS9 and try to make it look as nice as possible with my 6950 but I have the FPS problem in the clouds...Which is ridiculous if you think about it, a modern pc struggling with FS9, not even FSX.So I am interested to see the results of the new 79xx series testing. And also someone mentioned some recommended settings for 69xx series AMD cards for FS9?? Can you post a link please?As for the newer cards not playing DX9 so well, it was about time they let this old code die and design new hardware from scratch instead of carrying over parts for years and years in new GPU's. I say to hell with DX9, only problem being we don't actually have a decent flight sim that's NOT DX9 yet...

Edited February 7, 201214 yr by Makinen11

I too still fly FS9 and try to make it look as nice as possible with my 6950 but I have the FPS problem in the clouds...Which is ridiculous if you think about it, a modern pc struggling with FS9, not even FSX.So I am interested to see the results of the new 79xx series testing. And also someone mentioned some recommended settings for 69xx series AMD cards for FS9?? Can you post a link please?As for the newer cards not playing DX9 so well, it was about time they let this old code die and design new hardware from scratch instead of carrying over parts for years and years in new GPU's. I say to hell with DX9, only problem being we don't actually have a decent flight sim that's NOT DX9 yet...

It's an AMD/ATI thing. They said they will never optimize their drivers for the old FSX shaders, so you may want to consider switching to nVidia.

It's an AMD/ATI thing. They said they will never optimize their drivers for the old FSX shaders, so you may want to consider switching to nVidia.

Thing is though, I had a GTX480 and a GTX280 before that and they both sucked at image quality compared to AMD's cards... They didn't have the same AA mode supersampling that AMD has.

Thing is though, I had a GTX480 and a GTX280 before that and they both sucked at image quality compared to AMD's cards... They didn't have the same AA mode supersampling that AMD has.

Did you try Nvidia Inspector? there are tons of SS modes available there, combined modes (MS+SS) and transparency SS that work great. I cant compare image quality with ATI cause the last ATI card I owned was a 5770, which is still a nice card, but nowhere near current 6900 series. It sucked in FSX + clouds

Edited February 7, 201214 yr by dazz

It's an AMD/ATI thing. They said they will never optimize their drivers for the old FSX shaders, so you may want to consider switching to nVidia.

What is the technical reason for FSX running better on an Nvidia card?

What is the technical reason for FSX running better on an Nvidia card?

ATI/AMD deprecated Shader Model 2 that FSX uses in favour of SM3 and later (Bojote's mod upgrades FSX from SM 2 to SM 3), whereas nVidia still keeps SM 2 around.Cheers,- jahman.

Yes but I was talking mainly about FS9... anyone care to share the link with the Catalyst Center settings mentioned above?

Yes but I was talking mainly about FS9... anyone care to share the link with the Catalyst Center settings mentioned above?

Inspector works with any 3D app, FSX, FS9 or any other game you want, and it's only for nVidia cards. Catalyst is for AMD/ATI

I cleaned out all releated to Nvidia, installed the new AMD 12.1 beta drivers and right out of gate I noticed improvements compared to older drivers I had tried. I still saw some AA issues and shimmering but nothing like before. I also saw improvement in the sky where with the Nvidia there was some very small line running across the sky. If you looked hard you could see it cut off the lower part of clouds. With the 6970 this is gone so that was noticable right off. I used the settings in CCC that I have seen posted here by JSkorna (thanks buddy) to start with. Without any tweaks I have not seen any tearing, flashing, or FPS issues with clouds like in the past and it looked really sharp, clear and crisp.

This is the post I was referring to. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Can someone direct me to those settings?

Edited February 7, 201214 yr by Makinen11

oh, sorry. my bad