Yesterday I posted on a thread at this forum regarding how good FLIGHT will be. After that I thought I should really make it even more evident that I think, and probably most of us do, that FLIGHT will be a GOOD FLIGHT SIMULATOR!GAME? Yes of course, game too! What's the point? What are, after all, the flightsims I've been using since 1988??? Games! Some of them are so well designed, and after a long history of expressing my dislikes regarding MSFS's various versions, one of them is MSFS, that I keep them up to this days!The time when I used to desperately look for a new kid in town, when FU, FU2, FU3, TR's Fly!, Propilot, RTS-Pro,... and X-Plane started to become known to the public, was, I must confess, an howful loss of time, and stressing too. After all I have allways seeked for a stable simulation platform, with limited but sound aircraft and scenery areas.PS1 is probably my sim of choice, together with Condorsoaring, because I fly gliders for real too, but MSFS was allways the simulator I ended up "logging" more hours. I bought ELITE, RTS-PRO (now ALsim), ASA, ... whow... Allways back to MSFS after a while simply because after all it was the only sim I really felt at home with.During this many years it became evident to me that what I really was hopping for was some kind of move by MS towards offering a controlled product. That would save me lots of euros "investing" on many add-ons, having to make them compatible, tweaking here & there, comparing this aircraft model to that other one, and after all, spending a lot more time managing/tweaking than playing the simulator for the pourpose it was ment for - simulating flight! That's probably why I allways felt so confortable with PS1 and now Condor! They're sound, stable, detailled and good enough to even (in the case of Condor) contribute to give me RW experience important for my RL flights.I'm not saying that I believe aircraft modelled for FLIGHT will be perfect, but somehow (don't ask me why! and NO I am not a beta tester for FLIGHT!!!!) I strongly believe they'll be designed to match the requeirements of both casual simmers and what we call the core simmers.Aerofly FS has just recently been presented to the market, and it is already a success. What do we have there? 8 very well modelled aircraft, with credible flight physics, a scenery area "restricted" to the all os Swiss, no instrument flying or ATC, or even engine procedures, no weight&balance, credible but limited weather modelling, fluid simulation engine, etc... People applauded Aerofly's move from RC to TS aircraft, so, why should one complain about FLIGHT?I believe for me it'll be Condor, PSX ( by 2013 if U«I get there :-) ) and FLIGHT! And that's all I have long asked for!Will I buy add-on aircraft/scenery areas? Yes of course I will, just as I did back in FS5 with the limited scenery add-on makers for MSFS ( the Alting brothers).Looking, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD for FLIGHT!

Edited January 21, 201214 yr by jcomm

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Edited January 21, 201214 yr by Jacoba

Touché!!!!!:-)

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Aerofly FS has just recently been presented to the market, and it is already a success. What do we have there? 8 very well modelled aircraft, with credible flight physics, a scenery area "restricted" to the all os Swiss, no instrument flying or ATC, or even engine procedures, no weight&balance, credible but limited weather modelling, fluid simulation engine, etc... People applauded Aerofly's move from RC to TS aircraft, so, why should one complain about FLIGHT?

Well Switzerland is still pretty big place to fly when compared to one island in Hawaii.Anyways Flight might be good or might be not so good, but do not expect it to be successor of FSX as thats exactly what it is not. It will be not same kind of whole world simulator that supports airliner style flights very well.

Edited January 21, 201214 yr by pvjinflight

Well Switzerland is still pretty big place to fly when compared to one island in Hawaii.

To be precise, Switzerland is just about 4 times as big as the Hawaii main island... :(

To be precise, Switzerland is just about 4 times as big as the Hawaii main island... :(

Mmh, thats still quite a lot. And if we compare detail of Flight and Aerofly FS theres quite a big difference, Aerofly being better looking of course.

Both should be interesting with one being more of a game for starters and the other being more of a traditional simulator.

Just wanted to say thanks for the positive post - I too am looking forward to Flight. I think it's great that we'll get the "first taste" for free, and decide where to go from there - I feel MS is offering is a good starting point, and there will be more to come. .

I'm glad there are, even if just a few, feeling that way :-)People might be tempted to think I am somehow an MSFS fanatic or affiliated to MS, or whatever. I'm not, as a mater of fact, in the past I have been an active MSFS user, allways expressing my positive and negative thoughts about the many features of this historic sim.Being away from flight simulation for quite a while, having restarted to fly for real (only Gliders - the only license I have since 1980), and most of all having grown up :-) (I'm getting old - ouch! 48!!!! Duh!) I believe I have now a different perspective of flight simulation. I tried desperately to be able to keep a single flightsim, with all of the features I was looking after - good/credible physics models, scenery, weather, etc.. I tried about each and every sim on the market, including a few almost unknown to many simmers (RTS-Pro, the PC-based predecessor of ALSIM, just to name one...), and I have reached a point where I know that:- When I want to simulate glider flying I start Condorsoaring (and look forward for SilentWings 2 as well). I might use FSX + CumulusX + good mesh and terrain add-ons together with the excellent DiscusX from Aerosoft, but I threw my MSFS FSX disks out-the-window a couple of years ago, when it became apparent that I would not be able to spend the money on a PC to run it properly, so....- For airliner simulation I am simply/calmly waiting for PSW (Aerowinx). And yes I have tried great airliner add-ons on MSFS and XPlane, but... nothing feels the same when you start using PS1, and, in the future, PSX - i Hope!!!!- FLIGHT will most certainly fill the gap. I want something interesting, not irrealistic from the FM pov, with good aircraft and scenery models and able to run on a medium/low machine. I believe FLIGHT will do this for me, and I am really enjoying the videos I was able to see!!!

Just wanted to say thanks for the positive post - I too am looking forward to Flight. I think it's great that we'll get the "first taste" for free, and decide where to go from there - I feel MS is offering is a good starting point, and there will be more to come. .

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by jcomm

AMEN....!

Well,I can perfectly understand your point ROV,it is as simple as a basic remind of what I used to expect from flight simulation. One thing is for sure - we should not forget the potential behind the MSFS simulation platform. It has it's origins on serious similation work, by Bruce Artwick and others. Proprietary code was certainly licensed along this process by MS to enrich the big leap that fs2004 represented, then stepped back in terms of FM with FSX, but it is still possible to design very credible/good models for that platform, after all, a few good aircraft designers were able to prove it to the community!Not being core-oriented, FLIGHT will most probably include that very same platform. I don't make the slightest idea about if it will allow for some add-ons to be upward-compatible with it, but I certainly would appreciate to have a few aircraft I used to love in FSX (and fs2004) running in FLIGHT, yet, I can perfectly live with the idea of such compatibility not being possible, provided the set of default aircaft available, either as free or payware, are a good cover of what will make my (leisure) time playing FLIGHT.There is yet another probably considered philosophical point of vew I am defending - a bunch of available add-ons, having to histerically deal with all of it, exchanging "flight" time for computer management time so stupidly as I did during many years, trying to build up a complete, almost exhaustive simulation solution, and desperatly longing for a way to have it all in a single simulator, even knowing it would be useless to try and fly each and every aircraft type in all possible parts of the World, doing it "professionaly", like many times we pretend to do while we forget we're playing a GAME(!) is something that I am not willing to do again. Way too many hours lost on that for me...I look for a simulator I can start whenever I am up to this or that type of leisure simulated flight, with credible aircraft models, in an acceptably credible environment, preferably including ATC, but, why not, also some game-oriented challenges. I don't want to get stressed trying to make this or that add-on work, tweaking my PC specs, dealing with nasty incompatibility experiences... No!!!! That was what I had during just too many years....Ah! I will not even dare to speak about other flightsims available - not a word here ! Not saying I do or do not like/dislike them, simply, not really a factor in this "discussion" regarding what, after all, FLIGHT will bring us!Let's all hope for FLIGHT!P.S. (edited :-) ): Back when I used to spend my time trying to find out this or that wrong (sometimes very wrong...) aspect about this or that flightsim, I used to record sequences like this one you can find at youtube:

My gosh...., it's a GAME after all... But... heeeeee, Shhhhhhhhhhh,,, I do hope FLIGHT's airplanes will not be up to this mess.... Oh noooooo!!!! Here it goes again :-|

@jcomm,Well a positive reaction is allright with all these sceptical posts here. :Peace:I can only say one thing....I sure hope youre right about MS Flight.For me it's so easy, if Ms really decides to go for a so called 'free' sim and disneyland style the showed us lately..well then i will go for Xplane/Aerosoft.Cause i want a good product and am willing to pay good money for it.But first let's see if MS will live up to this promise and give the product a fair change.

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by jcomm

There is yet another probably considered philosophical point of vew I am defending - a bunch of available add-ons, having to histerically deal with all of it, exchanging "flight" time for computer management time so stupidly as I did during many years, trying to build up a complete, almost exhaustive simulation solution, and desperatly longing for a way to have it all in a single simulator, even knowing it would be useless to try and fly each and every aircraft type in all possible parts of the World, doing it "professionaly", like many times we pretend to do while we forget we're playing a GAME(!) is something that I am not willing to do again. Way too many hours lost on that for me...I look for a simulator I can start whenever I am up to this or that type of leisure simulated flight, with credible aircraft models, in an acceptably credible environment, preferably including ATC, but, why not, also some game-oriented challenges. I don't want to get stressed trying to make this or that add-on work, tweaking my PC specs, dealing with nasty incompatibility experiences... No!!!! That was what I had during just too many years....

+1I also posted something similar sometime ago. The idea of having ONE platform without the need for extensive tweaking AND without various addons with all their various copy protection methods like keys, files, serials, codes, password, ordernumbers, cc data, dates of purchase, et cetera, some of which force you to go through complete reactivation procedures just to reinstall something again with those same keys, files, serials, codes, password, ordernumbers, cc data, dates of purchase, et cetera... and some of which aren't compatible or overlap or require acivation or deactivation before you can install/change/tweak/use them... Boy, can I do without that!

I look for a simulator I can start whenever I am up to this or that type of leisure simulated flight, with credible aircraft models, in an acceptably credible environment, preferably including ATC, but, why not, also some game-oriented challenges. I don't want to get stressed trying to make this or that add-on work, tweaking my PC specs, dealing with nasty incompatibility experiences... No!!!! That was what I had during just too many years....

Exactly! You did a great job of describing my frame of mind - I've done my time as a "hardcore simmer" - I just want something I can have fun with in short blocks of time. Perhaps my desire has gone from "realism" to "escapism"? I'm ok with that...

For me most important thing about FSX is the fact that I can fly anywhere in the world I want, which wont happen in Flight. Actually its little like way of virtual travelling to me, until I have finished my education I happen to live in middle of nowhere in one of the most boring countries on earth, and other than some holiday weeks every year when I travel with family I really cant see much interesting landscape around here. With FSX I can at least have fun by flying to new, distant places when ever I want. Really its not Flight Simulators only, but generally games where its possible to explore around, great way to escape from all boring stuff this place is full of. Thats biggest thing why I wont find Flight Simulator with very restricted area interesting... And also addon installing and configuring them can be fun sometimes. When I have solved some problem with FSX I get good feeling from it.

Exactly! You did a great job of describing my frame of mind - I've done my time as a "hardcore simmer" - I just want something I can have fun with in short blocks of time. Perhaps my desire has gone from "realism" to "escapism"? I'm ok with that...

No reason why we couldn't get the best of both worlds. Just need a launch menu where you choose between the following:1) I want to play a mission or fly for fun;2) I want to do some serious simulation and tweak the settings.

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by simmerhead