I wrote this to you Arwen but it looks like you missed it so I'll post again:

I didn't miss it. But apparently you missed my post where I wrote:"If you look at my profile, you would see that I've been a member here since 2006. That was when I decided that I wanted to get back into flightsims (My older bother was a HUGE fan of flightsims and was the one who got me into them, as he raise me after our parents died, when I was still little. When I suddenly lost him in 2002, I gave away most of his collection of flightsim, as I couldn't bring myself to use them)."I was a beta tester for Fly! I've been using MS Flightsim since v.4.0, and have used every version since then. I own X-Plane 9. I own DCS's Blackhawk and Lockon. My first helicopter sims were Gunship (the original) and Jane's Apache Longbow. I also make huge overhaul mods for games (freeware). I have contributed thousands of hours in creating and supporting my mods, which I do totally for free. My website gets over 100,000 hits per month.So I'm not some uninformed kid, but I've been flying flightsims since I was a little kid .... and I'm not exactly young, so I've been doing this for longer than many of you.

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by Arwen

Thanks for clearing that up. My bad for wanting a FS11.

No. You bad if you expected FS11 after Microsoft cancelled it.

I didn't miss it. But apparently you missed my post where I wrote:"If you look at my profile, you would see that I've been a member here since 2006. That was when I decided that I wanted to get back into flightsims (My older bother was a HUGE fan of flightsims and was the one who got me into them, as he raise me after our parents died, when I was still little. When I suddenly lost him in 2002, I gave away most of his collection of flightsim, as I couldn't bring myself to use them)."I was a beta tester for Fly! I've been using MS Flightsim since v.4.0, and have used every version since then. I own X-Plane 9. I own DCS's Blackhawk and Lockon. My first helicopter sims were Gunship (the original) and Jane's Apache Longbow. I also make huge overhaul mods for games (freeware).So I'm not some uninformed kid, but I've been flying flightsims since I was a little kid .... and I'm not exactly young, so I've been doing this for longer than many of you.

Great, have you ever flown a real aircraft (and sorry to hear about your brother, I lost mine as well a couple years back)?

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by Dillon

What's the first add-on you ever purchased? I'm asking because your very condesending of a standard that's been in place for years. The angry tone of some of you new members is interesting.

My reputation and experience with the flight simulating world should be irrelevant in most of these conversations. However, if you must know, I've been using Flight Simulator since the FS4 days, have been developing my own add-ons since FS98, and have my private pilot's certificate. I don't recall what the first add-on I purchased was, it was either an aircraft or the MS Hawaii expansion scenery. That doesn't make me king of flight simulator land, but I'm no stranger to it either. I'm a new member because I was interested in following the news on Flight and P3D. Lots of chaff to get that kernel of wheat in this forum though. So yes, judge me solely by my post count. My observations and criticisms are blunt, but were not intended to be condescending.

However, it could also be an imposter duck.....

No!

Great, have you ever flown a real aircraft (and sorry to hear about your brother, I lost mine as well a couple years back)?

No. I've never really had the opportunity. But I have flown as a passenger. I was totally disabled until 2002, when I was finally able to get some medical help. After that I spent four years in college as a full time student (and was a member of a nationally ranked collegiate sailing team, until I graduated in 2009). Now I'm broke from trying to pay off my college loans (and medical bills).Sorry about losing your brother.

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by Arwen

All of this back and forth is really entertaining, but in the end it's probably a lot of wasted energy. At the end of the day, the market will determine whether Flight succeeds or fails. I was, am a beta tester for FLIGHT. I have been simming since the late eighties so I've seen the tremendous strides that this hobby has made in the last 25 years. Every time a new version of FS was announced I'd wait along with everyone else until it was released. I think, without fail, I bought it on the very first day it was available. This time, I got the opportunity to beta test it. Almost from the start it just didn't feel right. I'm not talking about flight dynamics or graphics or even the challenges or aerocache. It was just something about the way this whole process was playing out. Up to this point, Microsoft released the base software but it was really the 3PD's who enhanced it to the point where it became immersive. Unless something changes, I just don't see that happening this time. A lot will depend on how quickly the DLC is released and what it entails. Is FLIGHT a disaster? I don't think so. The graphics are well done. The shading and lighting is very well done also, but for me it just didn't work. As I said earlier in this thread, we still have alternatives if FLIGHT isn't what you're looking for.

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by mwilk

Well said.

My reputation and experience with the flight simulating world should be irrelevant in most of these conversations. However, if you must know, I've been using Flight Simulator since the FS4 days, have been developing my own add-ons since FS98, and have my private pilot's certificate. I don't recall what the first add-on I purchased was, it was either an aircraft or the MS Hawaii expansion scenery. That doesn't make me king of flight simulator land, but I'm no stranger to it either. I'm a new member because I was interested in following the news on Flight and P3D. Lots of chaff to get that kernel of wheat in this forum though. So yes, judge me solely by my post count. My observations and criticisms are blunt, but were not intended to be condescending.

I'm just asking for information purposes. Flight Simulator helped me become a real world pilot so I can't understand how a tool like this could get dumbed down and many are fine with it unless there's other reasons.

No. I've never really had the opportunity. But I have flown as a passenger. I was totally disabled until 2002, when I was finally able to get some medical help. After that I spent four years in college as a full time student (and was a member of a nationally ranked collegiate sailing team, until I graduated in 2009). Now I'm broke from trying to pay off my college loans (and medical bills).Sorry about losing your brother.

O.k. Arwen you more than have my respect because dealing with a disability is a challenge many of us have never faced. That being said I'm a pilot and the reason for this is because of Flight Simulator. I'm also a Network Systems Administrator which is do to Flight Simulator as Frank Dumas has outlined in his blog. This software although it's classified as a game has been much more over the years to many people. No regular game has produced professionals in different high level fields like Flight Simulator. Do you at least understand this is not Pac Man we're talking about here?

Edited February 8, 201214 yr by Dillon

I'm just asking for information purposes. Flight Simulator helped me become a real world pilot so I can't understand how a tool like this could get dumbed down and many are fine with it unless there's other reasons.

Flight Simulator helped during my flight training as well. I still don't think Microsoft really owes us anything though. They make a product, we buy it or we don't. Flight didn't really destroy flight simulator. It was destroyed when the ACES team was disbanded. This is a new game. I'll have fun tooling around in the Stearman in Hawaii, but I'll still use FSX when I want to practice maneuvers and running through the checklists in in a 172. I mean, I'm disappointed Flight isn't more than what it could be, but flight simulator remains in the same state it has been for the past several years now.

Well, this has been fun, folks, and thanks for the various responses.Now you'll excuse me, I've gotta get back to work....... g'night all ! :(

Flight didn't really destroy flight simulator. It was destroyed when the ACES team was disbanded.

Now we're communicating and not shouting down each other. :( I can deal with your reasoning at this point and it makes perfect since.

As for Flight being free, that's just pure BS. It is a demo. It is worth as much as any free demo, no more no less. The actual game (DLC) costs money, just like any other game.

I never knwe you could add lots of different planes etc to a DEMO ?Fred.

I never knwe you could add lots of different planes etc to a DEMO ?Fred.

I guess you never seen the pre-release of Windows and Internet Explorer.