Hi everyone,Even though I've been buying payware for a while now, I've NEVER bought any kind of WWII warbird of any sort. I am fully aware that A2A is the best in the business, and those birds would be my main choices. Should I wait for the P-51, or just grab the P-47/Spit/B-17 now? I was watching a show on WWII birds, and it had some really nice footage, and I realized the fact I have no high-quality warbirds.Thanks for any insight!

But which one? Me understands your problem and I could only solve it with buying them. :smile:But there are different characters in my eyes. So the class of the Spitfire with the touchy handling of the engine cooling, especially at low altitudes, and a great and agile handling 'fights' against the B-17, with the four engines, the crew (which will comment on your way of operating the plane) and the more long range (but slow) regime of flying.The Spitfire is more current on the tech stuff, which shows but doesn't mean that the B-17 looks bad or something. The Accusim features are well done and detailed on both planes, so you won't miss a thing when going for that additional package either way. Maybe the intended range of your flights sets the mark then, with the B-17 being a long range cruiser, whereas the Spit allows shorter hops, if the cooling is handled wisely.I like the prop options on the Spit, great detail, and if you are looking for another fighter, but with a less touchy cooling setup, that new P-40 may be worth a look. But the Spit is the handling master in my eyes.

And does the P47 have any notable things, or is it out of favor? Still deciding.

B17 and Spitfire are some of the greatest aircraft ever created for the ESP platform.

And does the P47 have any notable things, or is it out of favor? Still deciding.

That's the exception of my list, I don't have that one. An older release, but this doesn't mean it's too old. Maybe check the A2A forums to read into the quirks and character. http://a2asimulation...aa08ea77d356053I'd recommend the Accusim addon on every A2A plane by the way. The sounds and optics are there without it, but the sort of living factor comes with Accusim only.Here's the Avsim review with the award. P-47 http://www.avsim.com...509/A2A/P47.htmSpitfire http://www.avsim.com...A/Spitfire.htmlB-17 without Accusim reviewed (with the basic plane being the oldest release, if I'm correct) http://www.avsim.com...607/B17/B17.htm As said, you can't do wrong at A2A if you like the old birds. The support is great, there's no super fancy copy protection activation limit or something, no extra download costs and they still update older planes and packages regularly.Not to forget, every plane receives plenty of great videos, so you can catch some character there too. Just stating this because those videos got me into some of their planes, although never being a fan of the old military birds.

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by CoolP

+1 A2A Spitfire. More realism in systems modelling, graphics quality and flight model than almost anything else around. Opening the throttle on that V12 Merlin halfway down the runway is an experience you won't forget. Don't wait for the P-51; you'll want both anyway!Cheers,Noel.

I just had my first flight in the Accusim Spitfire tonight, and it absolutely knocked my socks off. It's easy to forget what a role sound plays in an immersive simulation, and this baby sounds incredible. The systems and visuals are all top-notch, of course, but the sound just had my jaw on the floor. I'm definitely intrigued by the P-40, but for now I really need to get more stick time in this beautiful Spit.

You won't be dissapointed with any of A2A's AccuSim products. Every one is a winner. Each one also has unique qualities:1. The Spitfire is light, agile, and beautiful. Once in the air, it's very easy to fly, and landings in the Spit feel great. To avoid overheating the engine, keep the speed up, use moderate amounts of boost (about 3 pounds is good for climbing), maintain the recommended prop rpm for climb and cruise, and work the radiator flap lever... full open for climb and "normal" position for cruise.2. The P-40 is rugged and very sensitive to stick and rudder input. A very different feel compared with the Spitfire.3. The P-47 is very heavy, and you can feel that in the way it handles. Where the Spitfire is like driving a Miada and the P-40 is like driving a Mustang, the P-47 is like driving a heavy pickup truck with dual tires on the rear axle. Landings in the P-47 are challenging, especially with a full fuel load, but it's a blast once you get the hang of it.4. The B-17 is a handful. If you can keep the cylinder head temps, oil temps, and carb air temps in the green while at the same time navigating, keeping the crew comfortable, and maintaining good climb, cruise, and descent profiles, you're doing great. It has a huge turn radius and it loses airspeed pretty quickly even in 30 degree turns; so when setting up for a landing, you need to give yourself plenty of room and plan on working the throttle when turning base and final.No matter which one you pick, you're going to love it!Ken

B-17 Flying Fortress and P-47D Thunderbolt both from A2A-AccuSim.Love them both, but the B-17 is more complex and has a nice rendition of the Sperry C-1 Autopilot, so I tend to fly it a tad more often.The P-47D was a 2,500 hp (Supercharger and Turbocharger) behemoth of a fighter plane. Liquidated most of the japanese air force in one day during the Mariana's Turkey Shoot. With the paddle bladed-prop it could outclimb the Zero, so it lured the Zero into following him, then went on a vertical climb with the hapless Zero on its tail and kept going until the Zero (always!) fell away first. Then it was nose-down for the Thunderbolt, aim at the tail and fire all eight (can you bwelieve it? Eight!) machineguns at the same time.P-47D Videos:

(Awesome soundtrack!)

(Great engine sound)B-17G Video:

Cheers,- jahman.

Edited February 9, 201214 yr by jahman

B-17 Flying Fortress and P-47D Thunderbolt both from A2A-AccuSim.Love them both, but the B-17 is more complex and has a nice rendition of the Sperry C-1 Autopilot, so I tend to fly it a tad more often.The P-47D was a 2,500 hp (Supercharger and Turbocharger) behemoth of a fighter plane. Liquidated most of the japanese air force in one day during the Mariana's Turkey Shoot. With the paddle bladed-prop it could outclimb the Zero, so it lured the Zero into following him, then went on a vertical climb with the hapless Zero on its tail and kept going until the Zero (always!) fell away first. Then it was nose-down for the Thunderbolt, aim at the tail and fire all eight (can you bwelieve it? Eight!) machineguns at the same time.P-47D Videos:

(Awesome soundtrack!)

(Great engine sound)B-17G Video:

Cheers,- jahman.

nice little bit of history, I did not know that! Now that those videos are located, I'll watch them in a little while, Thanks for that!

The P-47D was a 2,500 hp (Supercharger and Turbocharger) behemoth of a fighter plane. Liquidated most of the japanese air force in one day during the Mariana's Turkey Shoot.

I always thought the Marianas Turkey Shoot/Battle of the Phillipine Sea was a carrier battle? Are you sure you've got the right aeroplane?As for the OP - well it appears the opinion is pretty unanimous, go for the A2A and you most definitely won't be disappointed. However, there are other options out there which are well worth investigating:The Classic Hangar FW190 - http://www.classics-hangar.de/produkte_en.htmAs a WW2 aviation buff with a particular interest in Luftwaffe types this is far more interesting than the current A2A selection. Whilst it doesn't have all the bells and whistles Accu-Sim does, this is still a serious attempt at modelling a WW2 warbird and you can't just jump in, CTRL E and throw the throttle forward.The Real Air Spitfire - http://www.realairsimulations.com/spit08/intro.php?page=spit08_introAn oldie but goldie. Up until the A2A Spit this was the best representation of the aircraft in FSX. Great VC and exterior model, great sounds, and flight modelling by Rob Young. Very competitively priced now too. You actually get two Spitfire variants in this package, the MkIX and MkXIV which are very different beasts, and on a more subjective note more interesting choices than the A2A MkI and MkII.Warbirdsim P-51D - http://www.warbirdsim.com/Store.do?state=ViewCategory&category=1Again, great visual models and VCs - each one modelled on a specific, unique aircraft. The newest pack includes improved engine modelling. Right now the most detailed Mustangs in FSX. You can see these were a labour of love by the developers and really don't deserve to be eclipsed by the upcoming A2A release. If bubbletop Mustangs aren't your thing they also do a very nice P-51B/C package.

the P-47 is like driving a heavy pickup truck with dual tires

:) Never thought of it as a pickup with dualies but that's an apt description. OTOH, it remains my favorite of the A2A Accusimmed aircraft. The Spit and P-40 are much more nimble but the P-47 is quite the beast. Landing her smoothly always leaves me with a sense of accomplishment.Rich

Liquidated most of the japanese air force in one day during the Mariana's Turkey Shoot.

I always thought the Marianas Turkey Shoot/Battle of the Phillipine Sea was a carrier battle? Are you sure you've got the right aeroplane?

Hey it sounds good! But be very shhhh... as to not wake up any Hellcat drivers.

Or a DC3/4 in war colors?

Or a DC3/4 in war colors?

Here.Cheers,- jahman.