Why not post this diatribe @simforums ? I am sure Nick would explain to you in perfect detail how the textures are placed. I have to agree with Meshman, you are being a bit of a drama queen. Flight 1 offers outstanding support, and that is where you should have gone with this.

The man asked for advice on getting a refund. Why the smart alec BS about going to Nick's forum (who is notoriously rude at times)?

Johnny & Tor,You guys are forgetting that GEX packages are modified textures ONLY and that is how they are advertised. If you don't have the appropriate updated landclass, roads, rivers and mesh, you won't see much difference except another set of textures.@ JulianAnd if Johnny767 uses the same tone as here, it should be interesting to watch :(

The tone only started after meshman used the word "drama". Which is fine, but when I make statements like that, I expect a slightly harsh tone from the target of my smart mouth.What most of you guys are forgetting, is that not everyone that purchases FSX add-ons are flight simulation experts.

I'm a bit disappointed with GEX as well - so you guys are saying Adam Mills' combined with Aime Leclerq's do a much better job combined with UTX Europe (which I also have)? How would I go about doing this? Is SceneryTech mesh?

Personal choice and taste, like everything else in life!SceneryTech is landclass:http://www.scenerytech.com/- a good discussion:http://www.simforums...topic39317.htmlone more:http://www.simforums...topic24965.htmlBTW: I don´t visit any forum where NickN will answer. He´s an expert, no doubt about it, but I agree with ZachLW:"Why the smart alec BS about going to Nick's forum (who is notoriously rude at times)?"

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by Tor

What most of you guys are forgetting, is that not everyone that purchases FSX add-ons are flight simulation experts.

Zach, the OP pretty much admits that he knows what the product is about by this follow-up satement "In fact, GEX makes no significant positive difference as in the USA version...". So to come in and berate a product because it doesn't meet this expectation "I was expecting a significant increase in terrain detail such as mountains, volcanoes, valleys, main cities rivers, etc. etc." falls into a bit of drama for me.The OP could have asked for other opinions about the product, asked for a comparison, which is a whole lot different than to say the product fails in all aspects to meet the mis-guided expectations.

I'm a bit disappointed with GEX as well - so you guys are saying Adam Mills' combined with Aime Leclerq's do a much better job

The complete Adam Mills set is available from Flightsim.com and other sites,split into one set for Europe and another for USA.Basically what Adam did was swap some of the default textures between seasons to alleviate the desert effect that FSX had, along with a better landclass this cures most issues with desert terrain.Aime Leclerq has produced a texture set which is darker in colour (all seasons) available here at avsim.The two seem to work nicely together.Back up your /scenery/world/texture folder before you install just in case you do not like them, that way with a quick rename of the folder you can have multiple texture sets to easily compare.Large downloads though so will take you some time to get them all.Aime's 50 and 30 cm sets are looking stunning though and I think equate to 2048x2048 and 4096x4096 sized textures

Due to good recommendations in this thread, I won't be locking it just yet, but continue on the course of bashing products or persons, and I'll get trigger-friendly.The answer has been given that a full refund is possible if wished.Thanks.

Right, ok, well Im going to check out the Textures. Let's keep this thread positive so Word Not Allowed dones't lock it...I think there is a lot to still learn/see here!Cheers

Zach, the OP pretty much admits that he knows what the product is about by this follow-up satement "In fact, GEX makes no significant positive difference as in the USA version...". So to come in and berate a product because it doesn't meet this expectation "I was expecting a significant increase in terrain detail such as mountains, volcanoes, valleys, main cities rivers, etc. etc." falls into a bit of drama for me.The OP could have asked for other opinions about the product, asked for a comparison, which is a whole lot different than to say the product fails in all aspects to meet the mis-guided expectations.

Fair enough, mesh. I'm not the paragon of forum behavior by any means and didn't mean to insinuate that I am!

Due to good recommendations in this thread, I won't be locking it just yet, but continue on the course of bashing products or persons, and I'll get trigger-friendly.The answer has been given that a full refund is possible if wished.Thanks.

Hello kostaI agree with not attacking persons, but honest opinion of payware products even if negative in tone should be allowed.How else are we to make informed buying choices if not from reading reviews and other users opinions.Freeware is a different case where criticism should not be allowed.

Hello kostaI agree with not attacking persons, but honest opinion of payware products even if negative in tone should be allowed.How else are we to make informed buying choices if not from reading reviews and other users opinions.Freeware is a different case where criticism should not be allowed.

No, don't do that. Argue with a mod when they're being fair. :(

Its easy to sit there and throw opinions around. Everybody would love their area to look like the real deal and those who are hard-core for that look use photo scenery.On the other hand there are technical reasons why the original GEX Europe product was made the way it was, source at the time was terrible and very hard to find.We have been making changes to Europe as newer/cleaner source is becoming available. We started changing textures for Europe with v2.0, added more in 2.1 and this year we are working on a massive change for GEX EU v2.2. Its been a slow and long process to replace the Europe tiles since the quality of the source imagery has just started to appear in the last year.The bottom line is everyone has a opinion, but some of them come from ignorance to the technical aspects. Its easy to take someone else's work (ie; MS originals) and recolor them. Try and take the repeating lines out of those MS original tiles that you see out to the horizon and see how far you get, which GEX removes a large amount of that.Making large fields with crazy colors such as bright yellows is not possible with textures. You will end up with a repeating checkerboard effect. Photo scenery can display things like that because you are not repeating the same photo tile over and over.As for the OP.. I guess he did not realize that many of the textures used in North America are also used in Mexico and Central America.. but there are also added textures specific to the tropics in that package not used in North America.. that is how FSX works.South America is not covered by GEX (we are working on that region and Asia now) other than the shared textures used in other GEX regions.That is all I have to say about this subject. If you have questions ask in the GEX forum and we will answer to the best of our ability. If you do not like the products, please do get a refund but I have to agree that the drama in this thread is quite silly and why Nick no longer visits or deals with AVSIM. You wonder why he gets short with people? this thread is a prime example.Expect Europe changes in the coming months.. Thats what people pay for.. service and updates and that is what we provide as it is possible.

Never went past GEX NA which with UTX is amazing to me. Flight1 is great with refunds I had toreturn UT2 when it first came out because of the way it would load and pause. My refund was likelighting quick with no hassle. Great companyFrom what I have seen thinking about gettingGEX Africa and The Middle East my go withsomething else for the tropics

I have to agree with meshman. I was setting my expectations too high and was judging from looking at the USA version. Fair to say, it was an error in my part. Yes, I will say, perhaps this product would not have been as good as USA; however, I do believe it has an enormous room for improvement. Even if we climb to the top of a mountain or down a to a valley, it still has ground, and we-the customers-continue to expect a high standard product from an admirable developer as GEX. Honestly, there is almost no difference with the default ground textures; and this is where it get's tough for me (and for others, as well).--- To those who disagree: I must agree with you...It is not easy to receive negative feedback. But, I think you will agree with me, we all expect the best from the best. Go to a fast food restuarant and you know what you'll get; go to say: "RedLobster" (my favorite jeje), and you know the food is mmm mmm. See, the same with our simming products, we know what we're looking for. --- Apologies: I don't want to do away with being a gentle-man and becoming and animal; henceforth, if I did offend anyone with my post (or if I came across too strong), please excuse me. Though I did not used sarcasim or foul language, I did sounded upset.

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by Johnny767

Its easy to sit there and throw opinions around. Everybody would love their area to look like the real deal and those who are hard-core for that look use photo scenery.That is all I have to say about this subject. If you have questions ask in the GEX forum and we will answer to the best of our ability. If you do not like the products, please do get a refund but I have to agree that the drama in this thread is quite silly and why Nick no longer visits or deals with AVSIM. You wonder why he gets short with people? this thread is a prime example.Expect Europe changes in the coming months.. Thats what people pay for.. service and updates and that is what we provide as it is possible.

It is easy. But working for the money I spend on the products is a different story, so you could say we both work to use your products. The old "code it yourself then" response isn't exactly the most original one in the book, and it's not appropriate anyway.As for the rest of your post I quoted: This forum is the place for those "easy to throw around opinions". I say again; if a customer wants to share that opinion, this is the place to do it. The drama starts when folks take the shared opinion personally and call it "dramatic".

Thats what people pay for.. service and updates and that is what we provide as it is possible.

What people pay for is subjective to what they want.AGAIN. We're the judges. We have a right to voice opinions. "Right" or "Wrong".

Edited March 6, 201214 yr by ZachLW

Hello kostaI agree with not attacking persons, but honest opinion of payware products even if negative in tone should be allowed.How else are we to make informed buying choices if not from reading reviews and other users opinions.Freeware is a different case where criticism should not be allowed.

There are quite a few nice ways to voice an opinion and reply to that, this thread not being one (previous posts).