Hi all,I've been going back and forth with FLIGHT, wondering why I'm just not buying into it, after so many hours. Heck, I love sims, all flight sims, so why am I not fully engaged with this thing?As I've stated, I guess I was just hoping for that next "big" sim, the next advance from MS, with a full world (I personally enjoy having the opportunity to fly in different areas of the world)...with upgraded graphics, new dynamics, aircraft, etc. I was bummed to hear that the next step was not going to come in the form we've always expected. I am going to be excited to see how this one unfolds, and may buy into it once I see what MS' plans are.I have been waiting for Aerofly FS (google it...Ikarus? Youtube as well) for my Mac, and found it on the app store for around $50 USD. It only covers Switzerland, and is primarily a GA sim...but holy cow have I been loving this thing. THIS is what I was hoping for from MS...a breathtaking, fun, NEW step with advanced graphics. I'm limited to Swiss airspace, but adventuring has never been so fun. Check it out. This is what I feel the future is for simming. MS should take note. I'd post screens, but I know this is not the forum for this sim. MS wanted to go after casual gamers with FLIGHT? This sim captures the raw feel of flying, and it's a pity it'll not get worldwide attention. And no, I'm in no way connected to this company. I just want to bring it to fellow simmers attention, as you may be interested in it! : )In the meantime, I'll be keeping an eye on new developments with FLIGHT! Have fun all!Bob

Your the type of person who would be great as a spokes person for both sims. If you love AeroFly FS you should love Flight. The big thing that's better about Flight is you don't need a screaming rig to run it and it looks well. I'd love for someone like you to confirm this as that's what's holding off from getting AeroFly FS. You can see my system specs, how far would I have to turn things down to get the sim to look as good as Flight (which looks better than FSX with all FSX's graphical options maxed out).We don't know what Aerofly FS's expansion options are going to be but Flight has allot of promise. Again if you love AeroFly FS try Flight. Flight actually has everything the older sims have but better. What I mean here is the feel of the aircraft (FDE), the very detailed aircraft models, weather (although canned it's quite good), and scenery is amazing. The core elements are missing but it cost you nothing to give it a try if nothing more than to compare. Get past the first few canned missions and just play with it for a week. For the good of the FS community please tell us what you think about the two. Does AeroFly FS need more hardware to run versus what Flight needs. That was the big selling point for me. Microsoft did an outstanding job in optimizing this sim to play well right out the box. In Flight you can fly once you install it, no tweaks or headaches. So here's hoping you download the free install of Flight and let inquiring minds hear the real deal between the two.

I think that it is great the Aerofly has released a flightsim, and it seems to be a very good first attempt, but I don't personally see it as being a better sim than Flight (at least not yet). Competition is very good for flightsims, and heving more options is always a plus. But neither Aerofly FS nor Flight are yet complete enough to replace FSX (or X-Plane). All 4 sims have their strengths and weakness,Aerofly has many of the same lack of features as Flight (more or less). Not all the instruments function; there is no radio navigation; no Autopilot; no working switches or lights; the engines cannot be shut down or started. Aerofly FS is day-only sim and only cover Switzerland, which is less than 4 times larger the land mass in Flight's free Hawaiian scenery (the Big Island). Flight's upcoming Alaska DLC (which we still know very little about) is roughly 37 times larger than Switzerland. But Aerofly is also better than Flight in some areas, since it does model damage, and it does include more aircraft (including a jet and a glider). Neither sim includes a real weather option, but have very limited weather options.

Er... I must be missing something but you say you don't like Flight (which is free) because it doesn't offer a full world... and so you went for... Aerofly FS, which is NOT free (50 bucks) and does NOT come with a full world... In the meantime MS announced Alaska and what region did Ikarus announce...? None afaik. And I won't even mention the fact that you say Flight has no upgraded graphics... I just did a flight during dawn along the coast and I can assure you... Flight does have upgraded graphics.Of course I am glad you enjoy Aerofly FS but I am simply missing the logic in your post.

Aerofly has many of the same lack of features as Flight (more or less). Not all the instruments function; there is no radio navigation; no Autopilot; no working switches or lights; the engines cannot be shut down or started. Aerofly FS is day-only sim and only cover Switzerland, which is less than 4 times larger the land mass in Flight's free Hawaiian scenery (the Big Island). Flight's upcoming Alaska DLC (which we still know very little about) is roughly 37 times larger than Switzerland. But Aerofly is also better than Flight in some areas, since it does model damage, and it does include more aircraft (including a jet and a glider). Neither sim includes a real weather option, but have very limited weather options.

Arwen I guess you answered allot of my questions here. Doesn't AeroFly FS require a beefy system to look half as good as Flight? I mean the high detail videos of AeroFly FS requires one to have at least an i7 machine. A machine like mine will not run AeroFly FS with the same high end look or performance of Flight. I personally don't want another bloated piece of software with excuses. Flight proves what's possible with a competent team of coders. Not saying AeroFly FS doesn't have a good team but with an option like Flight and FS9 (older but runs fluid), why bother with anything that has less performance and less options (example would be lack of night flying in Aerofly FS)?This is why I asked the OP (Bob) to give Flight a try if he likes AeroFly FS so much. I'm betting he's going to love the many more options he'll find in Flight if he gives it a solid look. The big thing about all of us is we had to see this thing to believe it. 'FREE' allows that and I'd love to hear his comparisons between the two.

LOL that's the thing! I've been bummed that Flight is limited (now) to the islands, but I'm fine with the fact that AFS is limited to Switzerland...I know! I don't get it either. I suppose, it's because it's something completely new and different. And while I do indeed admit that Flight has upgraded it's graphics since FS10, personally I guess I was expecting more of a jump like we're seeing in the gaming industry.I've been flying Flight since its release, and enjoy it, but was looking for a bigger jump I guess. Just an opinion! I will certainly buy Alaska, and hope for more along the way! : )My other point was - Aerofly FS was a huge release for what seems to be a small company. You'd think with MS' resources, we'd have seen more of a leap. Just my opinion.

THIS is what I was hoping for from MS...a breathtaking, fun, NEW step with advanced graphics. I'm limited to Swiss airspace, but adventuring has never been so fun.

Thanks for the info and heads up on Aerofly - I have heard about it, just not that much.I am curious however as to the above statement:In Flight, I personally from my opinion of it today, could say the exact same statement as you stated above, in regards to Flight - by just substituting Hawaii for Swiss in your statment.What about Aerofly from your experience, sets it apart from Flight?Thanks,

LOL that's the thing! I've been bummed that Flight is limited (now) to the islands, but I'm fine with the fact that AFS is limited to Switzerland...I know! I don't get it either. I suppose, it's because it's something completely new and different. And while I do indeed admit that Flight has upgraded it's graphics since FS10, personally I guess I was expecting more of a jump like we're seeing in the gaming industry.I've been flying Flight since its release, and enjoy it, but was looking for a bigger jump I guess. Just an opinion! I will certainly buy Alaska, and hope for more along the way! : )My other point was - Aerofly FS was a huge release for what seems to be a small company. You'd think with MS' resources, we'd have seen more of a leap. Just my opinion.

LOL I understand. So... when you would be able to look at it all in a objective manner, without any prejudice I think you would have no other option then to say 'MS Flight is quite nice...!'? :wink:I think what you are experiencing is experienced by a lot of others too. A lot of people that say they don't like Flight don't say that because they think Flight is bad but because it's not what they were hoping for. Which isn't a weird reaction: it's very understandable. But it would be great if they would find a way to look at Flight objectively because then they would discover it's a great game/sim in its own right.

I think what you are experiencing is experienced by a lot of others too. A lot of people that say they don't like Flight don't say that because they think Flight is bad but because it's not what they were hoping for. Which isn't a weird reaction: it's very understandable. But it would be great if they would find a way to look at Flight objectively because then they would discover it's a great game/sim in its own right.

And I would wager for the most part, those folks you reference that don't like Flight because it was not what they were hoping for, had already preconceived the dislike in their minds, from the press releases stating what it was going to be when it was released, and many of the same have not even bothered to download and have a looksee. After all, if one was dissappointed because it was not what they hoped it would be, then that is because they were already a serious flight simmer with previous versions, and knew ahead of time what Flight was going to consist of. I say this, because I was one of the same - but, I did decide to have a look for myself. And well now, have over 22 hours in it and am at level 17, and plan to continue.

I think what you are experiencing is experienced by a lot of others too. A lot of people that say they don't like Flight don't say that because they think Flight is bad but because it's not what they were hoping for. Which isn't a weird reaction: it's very understandable. But it would be great if they would find a way to look at Flight objectively because then they would discover it's a great game/sim in its own right.

I totally agree with your reply. Flight is always compared with FSX, because it is viewed as the next installment of the MS Flightsim series (even though it was stated that it was not made to replace FSX). While other new sims like Areofly FS are just viewed as a totally separate, unrelated sim.

LOL that's the thing! I've been bummed that Flight is limited (now) to the islands, but I'm fine with the fact that AFS is limited to Switzerland...I know! I don't get it either. I suppose, it's because it's something completely new and different. And while I do indeed admit that Flight has upgraded it's graphics since FS10, personally I guess I was expecting more of a jump like we're seeing in the gaming industry.I've been flying Flight since its release, and enjoy it, but was looking for a bigger jump I guess. Just an opinion! I will certainly buy Alaska, and hope for more along the way! : )My other point was - Aerofly FS was a huge release for what seems to be a small company. You'd think with MS' resources, we'd have seen more of a leap. Just my opinion.

O.k. I misunderstood, you have Flight installed. Please tell us the hardware requirements for AeroFly FS and how it compares to Flight.

Try Outerra :-)http://forum.avsim.net/topic/366551-what-makes-a-sim/page__view__findpost__p__2302704

It's one of those puzzles I have never understood lately; the disparity in the reactions to Aerofly and Flight!. Objectively, Flight! actually has more of what the hard-core appears to crave as far as flight modeling, instrumentation, graphics and etc, yet Aerofly has never been dismissed out of hand, nor been subjected to such vitriolic hyperbole as Flight.

I like AeroflyFS because its going to keep MS on there toes. I dont have it and have not tried it, but from what I hear, the FM is great, and the visuals beat Flight. Other then that, Flight seems to have them beat in almost every way. Weather, day/night, radio's, system modeling, clickable cockpit and so on. What im hearing though is that AeroflyFS is activly reaching out to 3rd party's to EXPAND AFS, unlike Flight that are doing it all in-house. This may make it the instant fan fave under-dog, fighting "the man" for the simmer and whatnot. Good for them! I hope they take a big chunk out of MS's hide, and show them what supporting the community via 3rd party's can do FOR a product. Ultimatly, choice means WE win.

I like AeroflyFS because its going to keep MS on there toes. I dont have it and have not tried it, but from what I hear, the FM is great, and the visuals beat Flight. Other then that, Flight seems to have them beat in almost every way. Weather, day/night, radio's, system modeling, clickable cockpit and so on. What im hearing though is that AeroflyFS is activly reaching out to 3rd party's to EXPAND AFS, unlike Flight that are doing it all in-house. This may make it the instant fan fave under-dog, fighting "the man" for the simmer and whatnot. Good for them! I hope they take a big chunk out of MS's hide, and show them what supporting the community via 3rd party's can do FOR a product. Ultimatly, choice means WE win.

Well the visuals are apparently photo scenery, day-only, and with very very limited autogen. Again I have nothing against Aerofly and may even get it, but in a fair and objective world, it would be getting hammered for the same things flight gets hammered for, and it's not. This makes me wonder at the real reasons so many are angered by flight, since the stated ones are not being applied evenly.In fact, the sim vs game debate seems to have completely bypassed planet Aerofly.