I see...In fact, I wasn't refering to male pilots but to male stews.

 

In case someone gets violent in the cabin, as a passenger, I'd much rather have the stews (male and female) get involved in a brawl with them than have the captain risk having the light punched out of him by a would-be Rambo - or Rambette ! (Now, if that happened, I am sure the simmers on board would be delighted at the opportunity to land the plane !)

 

Bruno

 

Well of course it all depends on the situation. On the ground, almost always it'll be the captain who comes down to diffuse the situation. In the air, it depends on the situation. We have procedures in place, some involve the captain, some don't, but I'm not going to post them on a public forum I'm sure you'll understand. But when it comes to the flight crew intervening though, it wouldn't make a difference male or female, as we'll never engage with the person in a physical way such as tackling them, or knocking them out with a punch...

 

And, to set the record here, if one pilot was incapacitated, the other would land the aircraft, with help of the CC, no need for simmers I'm afraid...

 

Ró.

Well of course it all depends on the situation. On the ground, almost always it'll be the captain who comes down to diffuse the situation. In the air, it depends on the situation. We have procedures in place, some involve the captain, some don't, but I'm not going to post them on a public forum I'm sure you'll understand.

Sure. Makes sense.

 

But when it comes to the flight crew intervening though, it wouldn't make a difference male or female, as we'll never engage with the person in a physical way such as tackling them, or knocking them out with a punch...

That's good to hear. But I've read of some inflight incidents that turned pretty nasty...

 

And, to set the record here, if one pilot was incapacitated, the other would land the aircraft, with help of the CC, no need for simmers I'm afraid...

You do understand that you are dashing the hopes of a whole bunch of simmers here don't you?

Ah come on, be a good sport ! Say the pilot is knocked out AND the rest of the crew suffers from massive food poisoning (with Irish food, you never know...) :lol:

 

Bruno

 

PS : Just kidding of course. I LOVE Irish food and Guinness is one of my favorite beers. :Peace:

Now I'm wondering, apart from undercover agents and the other security measures, are ElAl stewarts trained in Krav Maga?

Ah come on, be a good sport ! Say the pilot is knocked out AND the rest of the crew suffers from massive food poisoning (with Irish food, you never know...)

 

Bruno

 

PS : Just kidding of course. I LOVE Irish food and Guinness is one of my favorite beers.

 

 

Well saved!!!!! :Hmmmph:

That's good to hear. But I've read of some inflight incidents that turned pretty nasty...

 

Don't worry, said systems and procedures at EIN are in place to prevent what has been seen at other airlines as we value our passengers comfort much more than the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet and other discount, low service airlines. I've even done a course [mandatory for Captains, optional for F/O's] on calming down noisy and disruptive passengers, be they sober or inebriated, so no worries for yee, you'll be safe with us...

 

You do understand that you are dashing the hopes of a whole bunch of simmers here don't you?

Ah come on, be a good sport ! Say the pilot is knocked out AND the rest of the crew suffers from massive food poisoning (with Irish food, you never know...) :lol:

 

Bruno

 

Oh, right, urm, fine, if I and my co-pilot, and all the cabin crew mysteriously collapse, then I'd consider letting a simmer up front to help the Autopilot with the landing. Is that enough of a slim chance for you guys to cling onto?

 

Rónán O Cadhain.

I've even done a course [mandatory for Captains, optional for F/O's] on calming down noisy and disruptive passengers, be they sober or inebriated, so no worries for yee, you'll be safe with us...

Yeah, and I hear the same course is mandatory for future forum moderators...

 

Oh, right, urm, fine, if I and my co-pilot, and all the cabin crew mysteriously collapse, then I'd consider letting a simmer up front to help the Autopilot with the landing. Is that enough of a slim chance for you guys to cling onto?

What a nice guy your are ! :clapping:

 

Bruno

 

PS : Speaking about Ryanair, haven't they made recently another takeover attempt at Aer Lingus?

PS : Speaking about Ryanair, haven't they made recently another takeover attempt at Aer Lingus?

 

Oh the thread drift...

 

That's one way of looking at what Ryanair did, what actually happened was that Ryanair realised they'd have to sell their 28% stake in us, so they announced this "Takeover bid" offering 45% over current share prices in an attempt to raise the value of their share's they'll have to sell. The sad part is it worked, our share prices have taken a massive jump over the past week, not that this is a bad thing, but you know, I hate it when MOL get's his way. I wouldn't be surprised if Ryanairs share-holding in us has already dropped below 20% of the company in the past week since their announcement was made. What this has done however, is revealed that Turkish Airlines are considering acquiring a 49% share holding in us, in addition to Ethihad, who are our preferred buyers, though with our pension deficit, no one will be buying much of us any day soon....

 

Now, back on topic, YEY WOMEN PILOTS!!!!!

 

Rónán O Cadhain.

Now, back on topic, YEY WOMEN PILOTS!!!!!

 

Now that reminds me of that joke...

 

"A pilot is a confused soul who only talks about women when he's flying, and only talks about flying when he's with a woman."

 

Guess that doesn't apply to women pilots! :)

 

 

Marco

Oh the thread drift...

 

That's one way of looking at what Ryanair did, what actually happened was that Ryanair realised they'd have to sell their 28% stake in us, so they announced this "Takeover bid" offering 45% over current share prices in an attempt to raise the value of their share's they'll have to sell. ,

...//...

 

...though with our pension deficit, no one will be buying much of us any day soon....

 

Interesting...not what the press says but very interesting.

 

Now, back on topic, YEY WOMEN PILOTS!!!!!

 

I was just about to reply : "Yeah, and oh, by the way, have you got a sister?"

But then I saw Marco's comment...

 

Bruno

Isn't that positive discrimination though? I mean, I'm all up for women doing the job, but I always believe that the job should be given to the best person for it, so if Airbus turn around to a better male pilot and say "Sorry mate, but you're a guy, so we're hiring this person who's worse that you because she is a girl so that will fill our quota" then I think this idea is attrocious.

 

There should obviously not be any objection to having women pilots, but to set out and say "We want to hire 25% or our pilots as women this year" is a disgrace, and doesn't leave the job open for those who may be better than them.

 

Just my €0.02

 

Rónán O Cadhain.

 

I guess it's on the edge, though Airbus is treating it as a goal for their HR policy, rather than a fixed quota (it's not just about pilot's either, it's a company wide goal):

 

“Airbus wants to attract more women and it is not simply about achieving quotas and targets. I am convinced that a more balanced proportion of women at all levels of the company can only improve Airbus’ performance,” explained Thierry Baril, Airbus Executive Vice President, Human Resources. “Offering equal chances is an essential corner stone of the Airbus corporate culture.”

 

People are generally disposed to pick people who are most like them for a job, which puts women at a disadvantage when the people doing the picking are all male (especially if their viewpoints on women were formed in less enlightened times). I don't think positive discrimination is the way to solve this either, but making it clear to women that you value their application and making it clear to the people doing the selecting that women are just as capable to men can go a long way. I think this goal sends a strong message to young women who are considering a career in aviation (or engineering in general), that it's a career that's not just reserved for men.