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Is there anyone that has ever been brave and skilled enough to fly their SIDS and STARS, when applicable, in raw data mode, in an airliner? I recently flew on Vatsim and flew the Clacton 8 Mike departure out of EGKK, and as I was reading the SID's intructions, I began to wonder who could possibly fly this in raw data, without the aid of LNAV, VNAV, or the moving map on the ND. I enjoy flying raw data, especially since I feel like I am almost cheating by using the moving map and all the advanced autoflight functions, but ever since I joined Vatsim, I've had less and less chances to fly raw data because it can get pretty overwhelming flying the SID/STAR accurately and not breaking speed/altitude restrictions, while at the same time maintaining your situational awareness. Granted, I don't have a mic on Vatsim, so have to type out any voice instructions I receive, but I'm still curious to see how all of you fly your SID's and STARS, especially complicated ones like the Clacton 8 Mike out of EGKK.

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"Are any of you this skilled?"

Yup, I'm practically a sky-god, but ya-know, young... :P

 

Ró.

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"Are any of you this skilled?"

Yup, I'm practically a sky-god... :P

 

Ró.

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"Are any of you this skilled?"

Yup, I'm practically a sky-god, but ya-know, young... :P

 

Ró.

"Are any of you this skilled?"

Yup, I'm practically a sky-god, but ya-know, young... :P

 

Ró.

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"Are any of you this skilled?"

Yup, I'm practically a sky-god, but ya-know, young... :P

 

Ró.

 

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The Simcheck A300 tutorial takes you into a very short flight (ie you have to act fast), with the departure and arrival flown raw ie only VOR radials.

 

I must admit I found it quite a challenge while learning the plane to be doing this :) I'm not used to such a high workload at jet speeds. Give me the Turbine Duke or Flight1 Mustang and it's more manageable. Or give me an FMS or GPS..

 

There is an INS but typically it's only used for the enroute cruise portion of the flight.

 

This was a dent to the ego but I tell myself it will be easier on longer flights with better planned descents, if I'm not dropping like a ton of bricks to make the approach alt then will be easier.

 

Better get used to it though, because the PMDG DC-6 is coming, and I doubt it has an FMS :)

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Alfredo,

 

You owe it to yourself to get a mic/headset combo, it is great fun to converse with ATC once you get used to it.

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Also,generally there are two souls in the cockpit sharing the work load! One person, Aviating, navigating, communicating .

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Try the old planes - you need to be the engineer as well :)

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It is great fun, but planning is the key. What radios to tune and what radials to intercept by what distance.

 

Lots of planning in advance.

 

I love flying sids and stars in the Simcheck A300, but i feel like i am cheating when i load the whole plan via fsbuild into the ins, including sid and star.

 

I will attempt the whole thing when voice control for the Simcheck gets released, until then, things happen a little too fast for me to keep track of!

 

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It is great fun, but planning is the key. What radios to tune and what radials to intercept by what distance.

 

Lots of planning in advance.

 

I love flying sids and stars in the Simcheck A300, but i feel like i am cheating when i load the whole plan via fsbuild into the ins, including sid and star.

 

I will attempt the whole thing when voice control for the Simcheck gets released, until then, things happen a little too fast for me to keep track of!

 

Hi

 

What do you mean by voice control? What are they planning?

 

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Lee

 

 

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Hi

 

What do you mean by voice control? What are they planning?

 

Regards

 

Lee

 

 

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Hi Lee,

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer....I use MCE voice control, and I am using the PMDG MD-11, NGX and Simcheck A300....the two PMDG birds are already fully supported...the Simcheck aircraft works to some degree with voice control, but the MCE support team are working on a full support module for it, even the Fligth Engineer's panel!!

 

I can't wait!!

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Ah i see

 

Thanks :)

 

 

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Alfredo,

 

You owe it to yourself to get a mic/headset combo, it is great fun to converse with ATC once you get used to it.

Yeah, I have been highly contemplating this, as typing can be really frustrating, especially during the most critical phases of flight.

 

Try the old planes - you need to be the engineer as well :)

I have thought about that as well. Flying a 707 in raw data must really separate the men from the boys.

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Hi Lee,

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer....I use MCE voice control, and I am using the PMDG MD-11, NGX and Simcheck A300....the two PMDG birds are already fully supported...the Simcheck aircraft works to some degree with voice control, but the MCE support team are working on a full support module for it, even the Fligth Engineer's panel!!

 

I can't wait!!

 

That is awesome news. The autopilot doesn't work with my joystick buttons as its not default, so setting autopilot headings etc will be nice with MCE.

 

Engineers panel too, as a high workload plane it will be great.

 

Will have to do some checklists and then all set for great flights.

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For me, at least where my skill is right now, it depends on the SID/STAR. Some of them can be challenging and I evaluate what I need to do before I depart, doing as much prep work as possible. Some SIDs are simple enough...some are long and tedious. Some I can fly by hand, some I can fly if I use my autopilot and VORs, etc. Truly, I have seen some approaches that I wonder if anyone ever flies without some automation or a helpful right-seater. For example, the LOC 25R to KLAX...step-down hell if you fly it from the IAF. I think the TERPs guy must have been laughing some part of his body off when he drew that up.

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For me, at least where my skill is right now, it depends on the SID/STAR. Some of them can be challenging and I evaluate what I need to do before I depart, doing as much prep work as possible. Some SIDs are simple enough...some are long and tedious. Some I can fly by hand, some I can fly if I use my autopilot and VORs, etc. Truly, I have seen some approaches that I wonder if anyone ever flies without some automation or a helpful right-seater. For example, the LOC 25R to KLAX...step-down hell if you fly it from the IAF. I think the TERPs guy must have been laughing some part of his body off when he drew that up.

Yeah same here, although, I just finished hand flying the Clacton 8 Mike out of EGKK, and it actually wasn't nearly as bad as it appears. It appears daunting and difficult since there are so much different instructions to follow; however, when you actually fly it, thanks to the distances between each waypoint, it actually becomes rather simple to fly.

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Some day I'll understand what you are all talking about :Hmmmph:

 

LOL. I'll say this...if I was in the soup, if the SID has any complexity, I'd probably depend rather heavily on the autopilot. Flipping Nav radios, selecting radials, monitoring DME and radial crossing, changing Com frequencies, monitoring engine temps.......two preset VORs and I'm ok. 3 or 4?...need help.

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Haha this is a cute thread.

 

Now fly in moderate turbulence, watching the deice boots try to keep up with the icing over the Cascades while Vancouver Center tells you to slow for a crossing restriction to cross in 20 minutes but the fix is only 90 miles ahead. Sorry mister controller I think you know as well as I do that a King Air is not going to fly at 40 knots. Oh what a day that was. At least we had a nice hotel and hot tub on top of the building that night.

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That is awesome news. The autopilot doesn't work with my joystick buttons as its not default,

 

Hello

I got them working ok with my goflight gear using Fsuipc's mouse macros

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Mouse macros hey, never tried them before. Is it reliable?

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