Hi,

 

Has anyone used the short field package to land your NGX on a short rwy? Here is my experience trying (PAWG-PAPG tried to simulate Alaska airline flight #65) to land on Rwy 23 at PAPG (FSX 92ft elevation) using IAN with FMC generated glide path. I stablized on the approach about 1200 ft after an approximately 90 degree turn from the south in the fijords. With the plane properly trimmed and thrust setting to maintain Vref+5, flaps 40. At about 600ft, turned off auotpilot and auto-throttle, I followed the FCTM manual's instruction on flare and retard after 50Ft RA after rwy threshold. But everytime, I will either land or float about 1/2 way down the runway or crash into the runway at the touch down zone. But then I tried another way, retarded the throttle early and dropped the air speed to below Vref-10 and cross the rwy threshold with a high pitch angle, then I was able to land within the touch down zone and stop the plane about 1/2 way down the short runway. Is this the right way to land on a short rwy and what the short package supposed to do? Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Joe

Short field package, as far as I understand, is for take offs. I've flown the NGX to Wrangell and Petersberg many times: just land as you normally would in the touchdown zone.

Hi Joe,

 

The flight is so short and challenging that the best way to land her is "seat of the pants." I have made this flight many many times in the RW going back as far as the Twin Otters, 727's and the first 737-200's... It was then, and is still, a challenge.

 

Visibility can be a bear but as I remember the ceiling was even more so... This route is flown everyday in the 734 and can be mastered if you hand fly it... It really is a great bit of fun! And as Jon said, fly it normally... control descent and airspeed and the TD will be natural and a lot of fun!!

 

Jeff

To Jon & Jeff,

 

Thank you for your input, will try as suggested until I can master the landing. Yes, it is fun, especially with the Tongass Fjord scenery installed.

 

Joe

Try to flare a little later and a smaller amount of pitch change, maybe. It's not a Cessna, so you don't have the horn blaring and the yoke in your lap.

Landing configuration, Autopilot off, maintain autothrottle on Vref+5 until 50 feet above runway, then switch it off. Spoilers out full reverse, manual breaking. It works for me. Got it from angle of attack 747 lessons, i use it even on steep > 3 degrees approaches. Try it!

Landing configuration, Autopilot off, maintain autothrottle on Vref+5 until 50 feet above runway, then switch it off. Spoilers out full reverse, manual breaking. It works for me. Got it from angle of attack 747 lessons, i use it even on steep > 3 degrees approaches. Try it!

you're confusing between the 737 and 747, you can't compare all of the technique of the 747 to the 737. when you're on menual approach with the 737, the throttle must flowen menual to.

Short field package, as far as I understand, is for take offs. I've flown the NGX to Wrangell and Petersberg many times: just land as you normally would in the touchdown zone.

 

Actually the short field package is for landings too, it includes improvements to the main wheel camber allowing more tire contact to improve breaking, the spoilers extend to a greater angle to add more down force, carbon brakes to reduce brake over heatintg an a quicker spool down time o of the engines from approach idle to ground idle and quicker selection of reverse thrust.

Hi to all,

If I well remember (if not changed with service pack "1C") short field package is only "eye-candy) in NGX no chenge in Vref or Vspeed before or after having installed that, no change in aerodynamics of the B737 so, as consequence no change in takeoff or landing distances...

Ciao

Andrea Buono - I

I just want to stop it before that damned fence.

No I don't thing the SFP is just eye candy.

 

Is it? I highly doubt that

Lee

I fly the milk-bottle-run quite often and never had a problem to stop, even the 737-800 without the SFP. Many ASA-Airplanes have the HGS installed so use it - makes the approach and touchdown easier.

 

And be sure to pick up the special Alaska Airlines Terminal Procedures at Avsim. Then you can fly the exact routes with the real SIDs an STARs which you can find on Flightaware.

 

http://library.avsim.net/search.php?SearchTerm=alaska*&CatID=fsxmisc&Go=Search

(scroll down)

 

The only missing Airport for the complete Run is Juneau - maybe one day...

I fly the milk-bottle-run quite often

:lol: It's the "milk run." You get the bottle on the overnight in ANC. :wink:

:lol: It's the "milk run." You get the bottle on the overnight in ANC. :wink:

 

good to know :lol:

Actually the short field package is for landings too, it includes improvements to the main wheel camber allowing more tire contact to improve breaking, the spoilers extend to a greater angle to add more down force, carbon brakes to reduce brake over heatintg an a quicker spool down time o of the engines from approach idle to ground idle and quicker selection of reverse thrust.

 

Huh. Learn something new everyday!