February 3, 201313 yr Don't make me break out the fire extinguisher again. I swear by the Great Green Arkleseizure, I'll do it if I have to! :LMAO:
February 3, 201313 yr Jcomm, I do believe that in the end, even a zillion dollar commercial simulator will not provide the holy grail that thou doth seek...... :-) That being said, I do believe that DCS will probably remain the closest match for you, and I suspect they would not be adverse to correcting the fault in a timely manner, if you can document it. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
February 3, 201313 yr Author That being said, I do believe that DCS will probably remain the closest match for you, and I suspect they would not be adverse to correcting the fault in a timely manner, if you can document it. You're right Devon, and I don't even know for sure it is not modelled... I just couldn't get into a stable enough situation to test it, while in XP10 it is very easy to get into a tailslide and test the control reversal... But yes, DCS is the closest to what I dreamed about a simulator being able to give me in terms of accuracy, joy, etc... Now I need air combat skills too... 2nd best is surely XP10 (I'll have to explore AeroFly FS again one day...). At least in XP10 I have what I want in terms of weather modelling for approaches to airports with nasty weather conditions. My typical XP10 session begins with collecting some good airfields from the worst portrayed in SkyVector, and go there for some circuits... I find the wind and turbulence very good now in XP10, as a matter of fact, way better than in DCS where turbulence is too faint, and wind variability is practically nill. Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 3, 201313 yr I don't want to turn this into a DCS discussion in the XP forum, but I am curious. Does the program have a free flight option, or is it all combat, all the time? What sort of land area is included? "No matter how eloquent you are or how solidly and firm you've built your case, you will never win in an argument with an idiot, for he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous.
February 3, 201313 yr Author From their site: includes a vast mission area of the Caucasus region that encompasses much of Georgia - the location of the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. Additionally, DCS World includes: Powerful mission and campaign editors Multiplayer Massive inventory of air, land and sea combat units and weapons Advanced AI Fast mission generator Dynamic weather and seasons Training missions Mission replay system Pilot log book Most of the time (99,99%) I fly either single or squadron AI missions without any armament at all. You can use the A10c and the KA-50 for any sort of flight, without entering combat. I use the p51d to navigate using techniques that were used during ww2 (including dead reckoning), but ILS approaches are also available at most of the aerodromes. ATC also works :-) Personally I couldn't care less about the military features of the sim, which are it's base of development, but it's the flight dynamics, the systems, engines, etc... accuracy, including the interaction of those with the ambient (operations under cold or hot, dry or moist air being quite different and requiring the proper techniques, etc...) that make me like DCS World so much. I only have the p51d, the a10c and the ka-50, and the su-25 comes free with the platform, and you can install DCS World for free and use simply the su-25, although it's systems modelling are rather limited and the cockpit interaction as well. Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 3, 201313 yr You're right Devon, and I don't even know for sure it is not modelled... I just couldn't get into a stable enough situation to test it, while in XP10 it is very easy to get into a tailslide and test the control reversal... My contender for this competition is the RealAir SF260 (FSX). It will get into a real authentic looking tailslide, and I can recover on the lateral axis, which also looks very authentic as I slide backwards through the smoke trail, and rotate laterally to nose down. However, I've only got about two seconds at best, and I've heard that four seconds is considered long, I'm not having enough time to see what's what either. Besides, idle power is technically pushing some air flow over the flight surfaces, in addition to reverse air flow. L.Adamson
February 4, 201313 yr You dont have to do combat but that is a lot of where dcs is at the moment. When not online I do procedures etc so you can do flying like you would in xplane etc but the limiting thing is the scenery.
February 4, 201313 yr Author However, I've only got about two seconds at best, and I've heard that four seconds is considered long, I'm not having enough time to see what's what either. Besides, idle power is technically pushing some air flow over the flight surfaces, in addition to reverse air flow. I'll have to test further... Murmur has just posted a video that shows it apparently being modelled ... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 4, 201313 yr I managed to, with a stopped engine, both the RealAirs and even the A2A p51d - they do not model control reversal at negative speeds - MSFS doesn't really know about it.... To be honest, this Zivko Edge for FSX seems to model control reversal: "Society has become so fake that the truth actually bothers people".
February 4, 201313 yr Author I see.... Oops! Well, I tested with the MS FLIGHT hangar too, and none has control reversal.... Thx for the video! P.S.: Could it be torque roll? Does the prop rotate CCW? Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 4, 201313 yr P.S.: Could it be torque roll? Does the prop rotate CCW? Thought the same... I don't know, but it's possible. "Society has become so fake that the truth actually bothers people".
February 4, 201313 yr I see.... Oops! Well, I tested with the MS FLIGHT hangar too, and none has control reversal.... Thx for the video! P.S.: Could it be torque roll? Does the prop rotate CCW? Throttle would still be pulled back. Certainly looks good enough to me... :biggrin:
February 4, 201313 yr Author I don't want to turn this into a DCS discussion in the XP forum, but I am curious. Does the program have a free flight option, or is it all combat, all the time? What sort of land area is included? Here's what you can do with the free demo of DCS World: And of course, some guys push it to the limit :-) Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
February 4, 201313 yr Author Last update: 1) Finally managed to get the p51d into a stable tailslide, by having the fuselage tank half filled and both wing tanks empty. The tail-heavy aircraft was easier to get in tailslide, and then I confirmed control reversal :-) 2) Aerofly FS also models control reversal :-). The C172 is the trickiest to test,,, ... I will test the SF-260 when possible... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
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