High FPS can throttle your flight that why smooth FPS is more important to most simmers, and lock mine at 20 fps it seems good enough for low and slow and gives time for textures to load. Their is minor delay at 20fps, but not gonna crank it to 50 fps all of sudden drop to 6 fps get bottle necked causes bigger problem. Shooter game need all fps, but flight sim not shooting game so smoothness matter more than fps.

Hello ppl,

I was totally disapponted when i realized that in KFJK with the lightweight plane i got 15 fps @ 3.0ghz, and same 15 fps @4.0ghz.

 

I think i will give up trying to make out the best from FSX. It is a challenge full of nonsenses and conflicts.

 

By the way, cpu is QX9650......

 

 

Sometimes the CPU performs bad when OV... I would say next gen Intel CPU and when defaulting at 4-4.5Ghz FSX will be finally maximized

Will the person showing off his high FPS with all default scenery and airplanes and little tech knowledge please exit this thread? Anyone who needs system restore in the first place has no business talking about anything technical.

 

Actually my friend, I already had left the thread. However, the opportunity seems to have been taken to post inaccurate preconceptions about me.Therefore I feel I must correct them.

 

And no sir, it has never been my intention to show off. I stopped doing that when I was a teenager.

 

You say I have no business talking about anything technical.

 

So a bit about me...

 

First computer experience: I am 55 years old. First computer experience was with Clive Sinclair's ZX80. In the early 1980's I was a photographer for a top advertising agency. We used to do work for a company that provided equipment for schools and colleges. The company provided us with one of the first ZX80's, I was impressed, so went out and bought one as soon as they were available. Can't remember whether it was on this machine, or a later one, but it was about this time that I first experienced a flight sim title.

 

I have been a moderator on a flight sim developer/publishers forum for, I think it must be about 8 years now. Quiet a bit of the advice I have given in that time has been of a technical nature. My reputation is good, or i wouldn't have been asked to be a moderator, and I wouldn't still be a moderator.

 

Hardware: I have three PC's in my home, all construed by me, it's fun, call it a hobby. All of the PC's I have owned, over many years, have been constructed by me. I have also built PC's for others. I have lost count of the number of PC's I have built.

 

FSX and other flight sim titles: My experience goes back many years. In regard to some of you, I was flight simming, before you were born. However, I do not proclaim myself to be a world renowned expert, or have all the answers, I'm not that arrogant.

 

In view of the above, I most definitely do think I qualify, in regard to stating my opinion on Avsim.

 

If you would like to reject my opinion, that's fine go ahead. But please do with respect, and without making claim about me that aren't true.

 

Please try to be civil chaps, there have been a number of of forum members banned recently. I would hate that to happen again.

 

Anyone who needs system restore in the first place has no business talking about anything technical.

 

 

That's a very strange thing to say, if you don't mind me saying so. Even the most technically gifted individual can experience unforeseen issues. It can happen to anyone. And when those unforeseen issues arise, system restore does an excellent job of correcting the issue. It doesn't mean an individual is technically iincompetent if they have system restore enabled.

Wawo he seem new to FSX , like he haven't been around here long enough when we all talk about Limiting FPS an how high Frame Rate doesn't mean smooth flying all the time . Where is Word Not Allowed right now maybe he can point out what we are trying to get to this guy. I give lots of credit to Steve for explaining it slowly to martin but he just don't want to see it that way. So before this gets really into something not relating to the thread. Lets just leave martin with his high frame rate an get back into the OP before one of AVSIM Staff close this important topic that can help new simmers into fsx in the future. :biggrin: Peace Martin an no offence just calm down an respect other people point of view an No JUNK FOOD HERE MR. LOL

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, peace to you too matey.

 

 

Limiting FPS an how high Frame Rate doesn't mean smooth flying all the time .

 

Indeed, it doesn't for many. Many have to lock their frame rates low.

 

However, I don't have to, simply because my sliders are reasonable, I don't fly into hyper detailed add-on airports, and I have a powerful overclocked system. My frame rate is locked at 50, and very, very rarely do I see stutters. I am NOT saying that to showoff, and I am not saying that to boast about my high frame rate. I am saying that to demonstrate to others that it is possible... if we don't bog our systems down with hyper detailed airport scenery, and push our sliders up high. And we have powerful hardware enough to do it!

 

I'll give you an example. And again, I am NOT showing off. Yesterday I was carrying out some tests, in the Realair Duke. I took off from LOWI, turned hard right and flew downwind. I then banked hard again at an extreme bank angle, and plummeted down toward the runway. A very scary landing then ensued, at no time did the frame rate drop below 40. I experienced ONE minor stutter. At the same time ATC opened it's mouth, so probably related to that. No stutters apart form the ATC one I mentioned, and zero micro-stutters.

 

Again, I say this not to show off, but to demonstrate such a thing is feasible.

 

It's nothing new.There are quiet a few simmers out there who can run without a low frame rate lock.

 

If anyone would like my FSX settings, or my overclock settings, I would gladly PM them.

 

 

An no offence but it clear now that you are not here for smooth flying in fsx you are here for high frame rate

 

No Leny... I am here for high frame rate AND smooth flying. And I achieve this by not installing hyper detailed airport add-ons, and by keeping my sliders low. I can do this, as I said above, becauseI have a powerful system properly set up, utilising tweaks that work.

 

I should also point out that I am not deriding payware airport titles, many of them are superb products. But I simply choose not to go that route.

 

i7 3770k [overclocked to 4.5]

GTX 580 [no overclock]

Corsiar Dominator GT RAM 2133

Standard Samsung spinpoint F3 HD

 

The time has finally come, when hhardwareis powerful enough to run FSX well. But that won't manifest itself if we ask too much of the sim.

 

I run with...

 

REX, GEX, UTX.

Hi Martin,

 

I´m in for a PM, thanks.

No probs, I'm not on my simming PC at the mo. When I am, i'll do so. :smile:

Martin at least you leave CPU at 4.5 on i7 3770k and not crank it to 5.0 like some do and get blue screen of fun.

Martin at least you leave CPU at 4.5 on i7 3770k and not crank it to 5.0 like some do and get blue screen of fun.

 

Well to be honest, a while back, I was minutes away from de-lidding my Ivy Bridge, with the aim of overclocking as high as poss. I was in the process of running Prime, in order to warm up the thermal adhesive. My thinking was that it would make the de-lidding process easier.

 

But then, just as I was about to drag my PC downstairs to de-lid, I suddenly found myself reconsidering. To be honest, I wasn't sure why I was bothering, sim was running great, I didn't need the extra overclock. I then did a quick calculation, and assuming a linear relationship between frequency and frame rate, the performance boost equated to a few frames per second.

 

So no point for me, and I decided not to bother. 4.5 works great, in fact this is the best performance i've ever had from a PC, in terms of frame rate, lack of stutters etc. I'm a fan of the Ivy Bridge architecture to be honest. Yes, there are issues with the thick layer of crappy TIM, Intel shoved under the heat spreader, at high overclocks, but at 4.6 or less, with my NH-D14, there are no thermal issues at all.

 

I have no issue with others doing so though. I don't wish to criticise others that do de-lid. I may do so myself one day, for the fun of it. But 4.5 is awesome for me.

How come none of these 4.5Ghz setups are running maximum FSX graphics? I'm seeing PerfBucket 7 and 18000 on these4+Ghz rigs and no shadows, no max autogen, whereas my rig runs max sliders PerfBucket 7 and 9000 and it's rarely running above 3Ghz and the fans don't run all day and the sim runs smooth.

How come none of these 4.5Ghz setups are running maximum FSX graphics? I'm seeing PerfBucket 7 and 18000 on these4+Ghz rigs and no shadows, no max autogen, whereas my rig runs max sliders PerfBucket 7 and 9000 and it's rarely running above 3Ghz and the fans don't run all day and the sim runs smooth.

 

As for me, I'm sure I could, but I choose not to because I prefer high frame rate. I get 44 in the NGX on the ground at EGLL, with REX weather. If I was prepared to except 25 my sliders would be very high perhaps max. I have plenty of room to manoeuvre and whack the sliders higher if I choose.

 

At the moment, some are high, some are medium. AA is high enough to render shimmering very low, and acceptable.

 

You have to compare like for like. We all have different notions as to what we deem acceptable in terms of frame rate, as this thread has highlighted.

Have you made any settings in the GPU control panel? I'm using 4 pre rendered frames, transparency and extra AA, don't go too far though.

I use Nvidia Inspector.

 

I haven't bothered to experiment with pre rendered frames to be honest. My Ivy rig is running as well as I could want it, so I've not been experimenting much, just flying.

 

Transparency AA is something I've messed about with many times in the past.

 

Nvidia Inspector is set how I like it. As most do, but twelve months ago I discovered the AF issue fix, with REX water. so set AF to application controlled.

ure I could, but I choose not to because I prefer high frame rate. I get 44 in the NGX on the ground at EGLL, with REX weather. If I was prepared to except 25 my sliders would be very high perhaps max. I have plenty of room to manoeuvre and whack the sliders higher if I choose.

 

At the moment, some are high, some are medium. AA is high enough to render shimmering very low, and acceptable.

 

You have to compare like for like. We all have different notions as to what we deem acceptable in terms of frame rate, as this thread has highlighted.

 

44 on the ngx your fsx slider must be all the way to the left. I have powerful system no overclock an i get 15 to 25 in the VC of the ngx in KJFK . When you have time show us a video of your performance around KJFK.

 

 

An as for the OP sometime overclocking the CPU results in slow fsx . I had many problem with my old rig because of overclocking . I manage to get it stable at 3.9 Ghz , but as for this rig now i haven't overclock it the CPU cost me lots of money an i don't even want to touch that. Even dow i have seen other overclock it to 5.2 am not going to even try that unless i have liquid nitrogen haha. So i would say run fsx with out overclocking by default get the results , then if you don't see any result overclock it just a bit not to much an see . If you don't see no results then something is wrong there either you have something that you are not suppose to have in the CFG file . Can you PM you CFG so i can have look. You can also post it here if no one would mine .

44 on the ngx your fsx slider must be all the way to the left. I have powerful system no overclock an i get 15 to 25 in the VC of the ngx in KJFK . When you have time show us a video of your performance around KJFK.

 

No Leny... my sliders aren't all to the left. Some are mid way some are high, and some are fairly high.

 

Haven't tried KJFK, the scenario i mention re 44 is at EGLL.

 

I notice you have no overclock, so I'm not surprised you have lower frame rate. In my opinion it's above 4GHz that FSX comes alive.

 

Don't forget, I'm running a full 1 GHz faster than you. A full 35% faster than you. So no wonder your frame rate is lower. No wonder I get 44 and you don't.

 

BP=0 also made a very big difference for me, with Ivy Bridge and my GTX 580.

 

With my old i7 920, same GTX 580, BP=0 worked great, with frame rate lock at 60. However, with the 3770k at 4.5 artifacts where apparent. However, as soon as I knocked the frame rate lock back to 50, the artifacts were gone.

 

With my old i7 920 BP=0 gave me an extra 10 frames in bad weather scenarios With Ivy, BP=0 gave me a full 14 FPS.

 

 

An as for the OP sometime overclocking the CPU results in slow fsx . I had many problem with my old rig because of overclocking . I manage to get it stable at 3.9 Ghz , but as for this rig now i haven't overclock it the CPU cost me lots of money an i don't even want to touch that.

 

It is possible for a overclock to cause performance issues, if it's not done properly.

 

As for damaging your CPU, you shouldn't fear such a thing. Intel now provide the Intel performance tuning plan. It's cheap too.

Pre rendered frames are the basic design goal of DX. From my first google search this guy discusses pre rendering a little: