Gents, a fellow flightsimmer and myself are booked for a session at the Lufthansa Training Center in their MD-11 FMS in the beginning of June.

 

Personally I have 200 hours in the PMDG MD-11X, and I feel reasonably confident in normal operations as an FS online pilot. Following the first 100 hours I got FS2Crew and feel ok with the FS2Crew split syntax between PF/PM. But when I read the original checklists, I feel abit confused about what actually is done by PF/PM and how the flow between them works in practice with two humans.

 

Our booked FMS flight is a package called "Flymore", 75 min preflight and 60 min flight, split between PF/PM, followed by a debrief. We have each this package and we hope to be able to follow eachothers sessions sequencially, to get almost double the fun and learning

 

So, could any of you guys point me towards were I could start to prepare to get the most out of this experience? I have all manuals from PMDG and the laminated checklists.

 

I know it will be awkward to suddenly have company in the cockpit, but I'm sure we'll feel at home after a while

 

Any tips or thoughs around this from you guys are greatly appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Afraid I can offer no guidance at all on MD11 procedures, but wow - that sounds like a whole lot of fun!!

 

My brother and I got my Dad an hour in a 747-200 sim in Bournemouth for a birthday present and both got to be in the cockpit with him and do a takeoff and landing each which was immense fun!

 

 

But when I read the original checklists, I feel abit confused about what actually is done by PF/PM and how the flow between them works in practice with two humans.

 

CHECKLISTS:

Checklists are initiated at the command of the captain or PF. All checklists except the after takeoff checklist (which is silent) are challenge and response.

 

On the ground the first officer reads all checklists. During flight, the PM reads the checklists. The pilot that will respond will be the pilot whose area of responsibility contains the checklist item. Both crewmembers will respond to items regarding the configuration of the aircraft (i.e., flaps, landing gear).

 

The reader will visually check that the action required is the same as the action response (meaning look at the seatbelt sign is on rather than just saying it is). When all items are complete, the reader will announce that the checklist is complete.

 

AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY:

Each crewmember has an area of responsibility. The captain is responsible for the captain's EIS panel, autolight panel, the captain's oxygen panel, left instrument panel, left FMS, and left side of the aft pedastal. The first officer has responsibility over the overhead panel, right EIS panel, autoflight panel, first officer's panel, right instrument panel, right FMS, and center and right side of the aft pedastal. Supplemental, emergency, and abnormal procedures are initiated at the direction of the captain. Actions outside of the crewmember's area of responsibility is also initiated at the direction of the captain. Controls, such as flight controls, thrust levers, flight guidance and trim are the responsibility of the PF. Each pilot usually monitors their instruments and the EAD.

 

Programming the FMS in flight is usually done by the PM and checked by both pilots. The PF controls the flight guidance panel while the AP is on and commands the PM when the AP is not on.

 

CREW COORDINATION:

Crewmembers follow their procedures as written in the FCOM.

 

When the captain takes control of the aircraft, he says "I have control". The FO will then perform PM duties.

 

The PM repeats commands from the PF to demonstrate understanding with the given order. The PF will repeat any ATC clearance to demonstrate understanding with the given clearance.

 

 

 

I have all manuals from PMDG and the laminated checklists.

 

Those manuals are licensed from Boeing/McDonnell Douglas. They could be similar to what Lufthansa Cargo's manuals look like. The only things that the PMDG MD-11 doesn't have that the real MD-11 has is the weather radar and ACARS. So they could be a real benefit.

Wow, great info mate, thanks so much for your time!

 

Cheers,

Hi Morten,

 

this sounds great, I have also planned to go to Frankfurt and try their MD11 simulator, let us know how everything went.

 

The only thing I can add to this, which comes from my MD80 simulator ride in Copenhagen a few years ago, flying from Gothenburg to Copenhagen in the sim. After flying the Maddog inside FS2004 lots of hours I was pretty confident in the systems etc. The only thing that took some time to get used to is the new perspective of things, where the switches are in relation to where you sit in your chair. That you actually have to turn your head to find what you are looking for, as over the years inside FS this is ofcourse something we're not doing. Next time I go for a simulatorsession I would like to sit in the seat for a while to get acquainted with the new environment before the session is started.

 

Just my two cents

 

Best regards and good luck!

 

Simon Larsson

Thanks Simon, good tip, I'll propably be quite adrenaline-ridden when I first sit down in the captains seat, so I try to renember to have a good breethe and look around

Incredible experience guys, highly recommended. I felt totally at home in the cockpit. Systemwise it was a breeze, but man, manual landing with no ATS was tricky!

It took a few tries to nail the flare and land at the correct speed. Very easy to have the aircraft run off with you on the approach. My first landing was way too fast and with almost no flare. The bounce was insane...

 

On apporach to Cologne... B)

 

Incredible experience guys, highly recommended. I felt totally at home in the cockpit. Systemwise it was a breeze, but man, manual landing with no ATS was tricky!

 

It took a few tries to nail the flare and land at the correct speed. Very easy to have the aircraft run off with you on the approach. My first landing was way too fast and with almost no flare. The bounce was insane...

 

On apporach to Cologne... B)

 

You look very happy indeed......

 

Very nice Morten, congratulations.I have some questions, is it open for public? how can we book a flight? and How do you compare it to PMDG MD-11 flight model? 

Simply put, awesome:-) How much did it cost?

Hi guys, thanks It felt really similar to the MD-11X.

 

I was quite light, 200t with only 10t fuel. What I felt to be most different was that it was more slippery than the FSX model, it took quite a lot of airbrakes. We had a very experienced Lufthansa pilot as guide, he said that this sim is 100% like flying the real thing.

 

It is open to the public via www.proflight.com, cost for "moreFlight" was 445 EUR for 75 minute briefing + 60 minutes flying.

thank you for your reply Morten, will give it a try some day (soon :wink: ). off to go for a flight with my MD11X now   :smile:

Hi guys, thanks It felt really similar to the MD-11X.

 

I was quite light, 200t with only 10t fuel. What I felt to be most different was that it was more slippery than the FSX model, it took quite a lot of airbrakes. We had a very experienced Lufthansa pilot as guide, he said that this sim is 100% like flying the real thing.

 

It is open to the public via www.proflight.com, cost for "moreFlight" was 445 EUR for 75 minute briefing + 60 minutes flying.

Guess you should build a home cockpit so you can have that sim experience every flight!

thank you for your reply Morten, will give it a try some day (soon :wink: ). off to go for a flight with my MD11X now :smile:

 

Cool, I am flying the BAV/GSS charter sector EGNX-GBYD right now Love the old threeholer

 

 

Hi guys, thanks It felt really similar to the MD-11X.

 

 

I was quite light, 200t with only 10t fuel. What I felt to be most different was that it was more slippery than the FSX model, it took quite a lot of airbrakes. We had a very experienced Lufthansa pilot as guide, he said that this sim is 100% like flying the real thing.

 

 

It is open to the public via www.proflight.com, cost for "moreFlight" was 445 EUR for 75 minute briefing + 60 minutes flying.

 

 

Guess you should build a home cockpit so you can have that sim experience every flight!

Yeah, it would be cool but I am actually quite pleased with my setup. I would never get the motion anyway so I think I'll just continue flying PC and do a FMS flight once or twice a year for inspiration

Afraid I can offer no guidance at all on MD11 procedures, but wow - that sounds like a whole lot of fun!!

 

My brother and I got my Dad an hour in a 747-200 sim in Bournemouth for a birthday present and both got to be in the cockpit with him and do a takeoff and landing each which was immense fun!

oh, . . . i was in bournemouth's 727 sim about 4 years ago,bournemouth is awEsome!!

Hi guys, thanks It felt really similar to the MD-11X.

 

I was quite light, 200t with only 10t fuel. What I felt to be most different was that it was more slippery than the FSX model, it took quite a lot of airbrakes. We had a very experienced Lufthansa pilot as guide, he said that this sim is 100% like flying the real thing.

 

It is open to the public via www.proflight.com, cost for "moreFlight" was 445 EUR for 75 minute briefing + 60 minutes flying.

was that ZFTT?