There are a lot of posts over at simflight about it and the possibility of it being related to an incompatibility with fsupic

 

but this seem not to be the case more a sound .dll or something.

 

Lodged a support ticket with Wilco three days ago, apart from an automated acknowledgment no reply.   Looks serious

 

It is not related to FSUIPC.  Pete Dowson himself verifed this. The CTD happens even without FSUIPC installed.

 

As it happens, Wilco sent me a new tbm.dll file within 24 hours that fixed the CTD problem.  Now the only issues are the poor flight model, lame G1000 implementation, and terrible, terrible frame rate of the airplane.  Sigh.

 

-M.

Um, I just said it was not fsupic and it appeared to be a .dll in my post that you quoted, what was missed ?

 

Why haven't they sent me that file after three days ?

 

can you please send me that file, because despite being one of the first purchasers, and putting in a support ticket they seem to be ignoring me.

 

cheers

Wilco has sent me the new .dll within minutes of that last post

 

must have been a mix up

 

I'll credit them with a very fast response to that post, and despite the frames, it does look great, I do like the Garmin, just how to get those FPS ?

Turn off the CP pfd  it  seems to help with the frames

Well, I bought the TBM850 the first day it came out and here are my experiences:

As I posted early on, frame rate really did drop.  Seemed to be related to the displays.  If they were turned off, FR returned to normal.  On my rig though, it was still pretty fun to fly.  Graphics are great and it was fun learning about the Garmin 1000.  Since it's first version, Wilco has released two patches, 1.0a and 1.1!. I loaded up 1.1 this morning and took a quick flight from KRYY down to KMSY, and it was a lot of fun.  Frame rate has improved, although still not as smooth as I would like on landing.  Bugs have been addressed (comm frequency standby switch was not work, now it is) but there are still other minor ones.  For example on the pilots display, if you select a direct waypoint, the cursor does not sequence between each position.  You have to move the cursor to the end of the field, then back to your desired position.  In my opinion, this is a minor bug, but the frustrating thing was I had to play around with it to find the workaround.  I'm still learning how the autopilot works, but the more time I spend with it, the more I figure out (printing out the manual helped!)

So bottom line, I've really enjoyed this purchase and it has been well worth my money.  I am very pleased with Wilco publishing patches so quickly.  You might say that these bugs should have been addressed before 1.0 was released, but you can't argue with speed at which updates are being pushed out.  I have to admit that at this point, I don't have a ton of add ons.  I've replaced some night textures, bought REX, bought KATL from Imagine Simulation.  Don't know if incompatibility issues crop up with more add ons, but it seems logical that they might.  After all of that, I'm surprised to read a lot of the negative press about Wilco.  I'm sure it's based on many unsatisfactory experiences, but based on my recent experience, maybe they've ramped up their game.  I suspect that it might has something to do with Prepar3d...

I just bought it last week.   As one who has been extremely disappointed with Wilco products before, I have to

admit that I've been very impressed thus far.   Admittedly, it's early yet, and I've only taken it up for a few

preliminary test flights.

 

I've had no CTD or framerate issues; thus far, it and my rig seem to agree with each other very well.

 

I also have the Carenado TBM.  While Carenado's wins hands down in terms of the modeling/eye candy detail,

Wilco's is not bad.   It's definitely comparable to some of the other, higher end payware that I have.   I'd say it

is in the league of the RealAir turbine Duke that I have, which is absolutely no slouch in the modeling department.

 

I've no idea how a real TBM850 handles, but the differences in the performance of Wilco's vs. Carenado's is

striking.   Wilco's accelerates and climbs like a rocket compared to the Carenado version's anemic rates.  It's

also rock solid stable.  I never thought I would say this about any Wilco product, but the Wilco TBM is a heck

of a lot more fun to fly.

 

I've also been extremely impressed by the documentation; the package is packed with it.   There are several

manuals dealing, respectively, with operation and performance.    The one for the integrated panel is over

90 pages long in and of itself!     I went ahead and printed some of them, and am looking forward to learning

the plane's systems.

 

As I said, it's early yet, but thus far I'm very happy I took the chance and made the purchase.

Well, I took the plunge and purchased the Wilco TBM850. I am happy to say I am very pleased.

 

The Wilco TBM immediately felt like a powerful high-performance GA aircraft. And as TATfsn pointed out, it flies totally differently. Rock solid, very "purposeful" on control inputs, no billowing or wallowing about, and trims easily. It is indeed EVERYTHING I thought a TBM850 should fly like, and it has that kind of made-from-billet characteristic that my Milviz aircraft have.

 

I too have the Carenado TBM850, and to me its flight characteristics feel identical to the Carenado B200, neither of which "feel" like a state-of-the-art high-performance GA aircraft (I am not a RW pilot). Indeed, I was flying out of my reference airport (KTTD) in late November, and the Opus weather engine said I had a 20 knot head-wind coming down the Columbia Gorge. Well, that "mighty wind" caused tail waggles in both the Carenado B200 and the TBM850, almost identical in amplitude and frequency, but oddly enough, did not perturb the Cessna 337 (which I am coming to feel is the best "flying" Carenado aircraft in the hanger).

 

Yes, I do get frame hits when the center MFD is active, but it is only bothersome on approaches (quite a bit of stuttering in P3D 1.4). However, I have found that KTTD with Orbx PNW is susceptible to frame stuttering with even the default Baron. I also much prefer the look of the Wilco TBM G1000 over the Carenado, and it has the more natural "heading up" orientation versus the Carenado TBM which is "north up". Yes, I did read the manual, and found the control sequence to change the display orientation but could not get it to switch.

 

Now I just have to RTFM for the Wilco TBM850 and find out how to disable Mister Don't Sink and some other bothersome noises. Hey, if I want to fly low and fast up the Gorge, don't chirp at me for doing so!!!   :lol:

 

Flying the Wilco TBM850 makes me miss flying the Flight1 B200 in comparison to the Carenado B200: it just has the feel of much better flight modelling, feeling closer to what one would expect from a high-performance GA aircraft.

Wow actual positive reviews about Wilco stuff... good times indeed.

 

So how is the G1000 simulated. Saying it's better then Carenado isn't much praise. What's it like compared to flight 1?

 

Cheers

 

Regards, Lee

 

 

Regarding the Carenado 850.....

 

 

 

 If you try to climb over FL260, you'll find your plane came with the wrong engine since power starts dropping off, resulting in nowhere near the advertised cruising speed at high altitudes.

 

Just a quick note.....the real TBM 850 will hit it's maximum cruise speed at FL260 (~320 KTAS). Above FL260 you lose airspeed, but become more fuel efficient.

 

Cheers,

DB

Wow actual positive reviews about Wilco stuff... good times indeed.

 

So how is the G1000 simulated. Saying it's better then Carenado isn't much praise. What's it like compared to flight 1?

 

Cheers

 

Regards, Lee

 

Hi Lee, 

 

I wouldn't know a real G1000 from Adam, so I can't say (I use Plan G to create and load flight plans, and always hand-fly approaches). What I can tell you is that outside of the "north up" orientation, the Carenado G1000 display jumps all over the place. It seems to jump down before jumping up, and I find it visually distracting as hell. The Wilco display is just smoother, has the proper orientation, and it seems to be much more informational (I did not explore de-clutter options).

 

What I remember of the Flight1 G1000 representation is that it felt like a true instrument. It was as much a part of the aircraft as anything else, whereas the Carenado G1000 seems to be a plug-in, while the Wilco G1000 seems to be a bolt-in, just better integrated. Make sense?

 

JKH

Hi Lee,

 

I wouldn't know a real G1000 from Adam, so I can't say (I use Plan G to create and load flight plans, and always hand-fly approaches). What I can tell you is that outside of the "north up" orientation, the Carenado G1000 display jumps all over the place. It seems to jump down before jumping up, and I find it visually distracting as hell. The Wilco display is just smoother, has the proper orientation, and it seems to be much more informational (I did not explore de-clutter options).

 

What I remember of the Flight1 G1000 representation is that it felt like a true instrument. It was as much a part of the aircraft as anything else, whereas the Carenado G1000 seems to be a plug-in, while the Wilco G1000 seems to be a bolt-in, just better integrated. Make sense?

 

JKH

Yeah it does, it's kind of halfway between the F1 and the Carenado?

Yeah it does, it's kind of halfway between the F1 and the Carenado?

Yup, at least from my perspective. 

 

Crap - just thinking about it, I really wish the Flight1 aircraft (I own both the B200 and Citation Mustang) worked in P3D... Really (especially the B200) magnificent aircraft models...

Crap - just thinking about it, I really wish the Flight1 aircraft (I own both the B200 and Citation Mustang) worked in P3D... Really (especially the B200) magnificent aircraft models...

Makes it difficult to switch to P3D. Id rather have my favorite addons, I reckon, than some  updates to FSX default textures. 5 out of 7 of my favorited addons will never be made for P3.

Yup, at least from my perspective.

 

Crap - just thinking about it, I really wish the Flight1 aircraft (I own both the B200 and Citation Mustang) worked in P3D... Really (especially the B200) magnificent aircraft models...

I agree. The 200 is one of the reasons I went back to fsx from P3d 1.4

 

I hope we see a new larger biz jet. A Cessna sovereign maybe, or 650. Eaglesoft is working on a XLS I think which hopefully will be P3D 2.0 usable.

 

Maybe in the future F1 will do it too, maybe there's a chance anyway. Might be scared to see the prices though...