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Authoritative modern jetliners in FSX

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As the title says, what are the best simulations of modern day (and not so modern day) jetliners? I'd love for AVSIMmers to fill in the gaps here in my knowledge. Note that with "best", I mean high fidelity and -at the very least- a fully functional day-to-day operation like the Majestic Q400|Aerosoft Airbus X has for now. The ones in italics are ones I'm not sure of if there's (a better) one coming (or even out) at the moment or not.  

Airbus A320 family: Aerosoft Airbus X | Blackbox Simulation
Airbus A330: Blackbox Simulation (although I'm not sure if it's any good or not,I'd like to hear people's opinion on that)
Airbus A340: ... (is there even a developer out there planning to take on the A340?)
Airbus A350: 
Airbus A380: 

 

Boeing 737(NG): PMDG
Boeing 747: PMDG
Boeing 757: QualityWings
Boeing 767: Level-D
Boeing 777: -upcoming- PMDG

Boeing 787: -upcoming- QualityWings

 

McDonnell-Douglas MD-80: Leonardo (Fly the Maddog)
McDonnell-Douglas MD-11: PMDG

British Aerospace BAe/Avro RJ: QW
Fokker F70-F100: DigitalAviation
Fokker F50: -upcoming- McPhat
Embraer ERJ series: Wilco/FeelThere

Embraer E-Jets: Wilco/FeelThere
Bombardier CRJ series: DigitalAviation -upcoming-
Bombardier CSeries: ...
Comac C919: ...
Comac ARJ21: ...
Sukhoi Superjet 100: ...

My aim with this would be to pool information together so we could all refer to this thread and limit "which is the best ... in FSX" threads. Of course, if a thread like this already exists, this can be deleted without any problem as far as I'm concerned.  ^_^ 
 

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Airbus A330: Blackbox Simulation (although I'm not sure if it's any good or not,I'd like to hear people's opinion on that)

Aerosoft are also planning on doing one after the A318/319, maybe also FSL

 

 

 


Airbus A340: ... (is there even a developer out there planning to take on the A340?)

Maybe FSL, but I'm not sure about where I read that/if that info is still valid

 

 

 


Airbus A350:

The A350 has not even flown in real life I think, so there will hardly be a serious simulation for some time, I'm sure.

 

 

 


Airbus A380:

NLS, the only one I was aware of (except the Wilco one, which seems to have loads of issues) has been cancelled, so none, unless someone's going to continue that project.

 

 

 


Boeing 777: -upcoming- PMDG

Boeing 787: -upcoming- QualityWings

Those two are definitely going to be the best simulations for the respective plane.

 

 

 


Fokker F70-F100: DigitalAviation

A great addon indeed, but it's a pity that the promised VC has never been released, so I had to stop using it in FSX. If you really want to fly a Fokker jet, you don't have any other choice, though.

 

 

 


Embraer ERJ series: Wilco

Embraer E-Jets: Wilco

Those are actually FeelThere releases, and they're the only ones available from the Embraer family.

 

 

 


Bombardier CRJ series: DigitalAviation -upcoming-

That's most likely going to be the best option when it is released (whenever that might be).

 

 

 


Bombardier CSeries: ...
Comac C919: ...
Comac ARJ21: ...
Sukhoi Superjet 100: ...

None that I'm aware of. I'd like to see some quality Russian (regional) airliners like the SSJ100, too.

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737NG: iFly deserves mention here too

 

737-200: Milviz

 

DC9: Coolsky

 

IMO QW757 is an excellent product but I would not call it "hi-fidelity" as it's somewhat simplified and targeted to beginner-intermediate simmers.

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IMO QW757 is an excellent product but I would not call it "hi-fidelity" as it's somewhat simplified and targeted to beginner-intermediate simmers.

You're absolutely right. But I find it good that this plane is here on this list, because I think it's one of the best planes for those who want ot start out flying airliners. Its simplified but yet (where necessary) accurate nature makes it a great thing on the transition from default to complex planes, therefor it deserves being on this list. It should have a seperate place, though, to highlight its sort of special position here.

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Agreed, QW757 is a very good choice for beginners who want a stepping stone toward these more in-depth simulations, and it is a very immersive and fun product.

 

I don't have their Avro RJ but my understanding is that it's much closer to a "high-fidelity" simulation.

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Well in all fairness, whilst I did realize (and agree) with the sentiment regarding QW's 757 being more of a "introduction to heavier stuff" and not really full-option; it's still the best option for a 757 out there. And considering the 757 is my favorite plane, I felt obliged to add it to the list. Unless anyone knows of a better 757, in which case I'm all ears!  ^_^ 

That aside, I'm eager to hear about people's opinion on the BBS A330, as well as the other planes (and which developer does them best). 

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I do not know anything about Airbus systems, but it is my understanding that the BBS A320 has better system modeling than the Aerosoft, it's just not finished yet.

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If you are doing upcoming then you should also include the FSL A320.

 

Then of course you have

The Level D 757

All the wonderful CS planes

 

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All the wonderful CS planes

I would be careful with such remarks, especially in this thread, which was written with the intent to collect what is widely regarded as "the best", and seeing what nearly every single thread about CS planes turns into, I think it's not really a good idea to mention their planes here, in order to aviod the stupid "CS is great" vs. "CS is crap" discussion.

(I do have an opinion on CS, but I'd rather keep it for me in this thread)

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BBS simulations aircraft aren't actually completed aircraft so they most certainly aren't high fidelity [at this stage in the process...]

 

There are other A330s and A340s available [CLS, Wilco, (PSS?)], which while they aren't the same complexity as say the Majestic Q400, they are the highest fidelity in comparison to the other aircraft mentioned.

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If you are doing upcoming then you should also include the FSL A320, The Level D 757 and all the wonderful CS planes

You have a fair point on the FSL A320, but Level-D's 757 sounds like vaporware (god knows I'd like it differently, like I said, the 757 is my favorite plane) and every thread that mentions CS degrades into "they're horrible" vs "they're not that bad" discussions. I'd rather not have that discussion again. That said, it is my understanding that CS products that handle older planes (707, 727, 732, ...) are generally received better than their newer planes (757,767, 777, ...). That alone warranted not having them in.

 

 

BBS simulations aircraft aren't actually completed aircraft so they most certainly aren't high fidelity [at this stage in the process...]

 

There are other A330s and A340s available [CLS, Wilco, (PSS?)], which while they aren't the same complexity as say the Majestic Q400, they are the highest fidelity in comparison to the other aircraft mentioned.

 

How good are Wilco and CLS' offerings of the A330/A340? I'd love to have both in my hangar, my hangar seems to be very Boeing-dominated at the moment...  ^_^

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Just a note of reality here.  "Authoritative" does not necessarily equal "best."  Best is a subjective assessment of the user and it widely varies as can be seen by the variety of responses.  All are good to one degree or another.  Each to his/her own.  As far as I know, PMDG is the only "authoritative" developer as they have an exclusive agreement with Boeing which gives them special access to actual aircraft, engineering specs/drawings/tech documents, and access to the actual engineers who design the real deal.  In my judgment that gives them a distinct leg up on all other developers.

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How good are Wilco and CLS' offerings of the A330/A340?

Wilco's are probably as good as it gets for the moment, but I think the models aren't quite as nice as most recent releases. If you care about graphical things as much as I do, you'd better skip it and wait for other developers to release theirs.

I'm not so sure about CLS, but their other planes(MD8x, 767,BAe-146) are not much more than default aircraft...

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Just a note of reality here. "Authoritative" does not necessarily equal "best." Best is a subjective assessment of the user and it widely varies as can be seen by the variety of responses. All are good to one degree or another. Each to his/her own. As far as I know, PMDG is the only "authoritative" developer as they have an exclusive agreement with Boeing which gives them special access to actual aircraft, engineering specs/drawings/tech documents, and access to the actual engineers who design the real deal. In my judgment that gives them a distinct leg up on all other developers.

 

I don't think such exclusive agreement exists. I seem to recall Ryan (Tabs) from PMDG stating no such deal exists. They are a resourceful and able developer and translate what they have into their flight sim products really well.

 

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Just a note of reality here.  "Authoritative" does not necessarily equal "best."  Best is a subjective assessment of the user and it widely varies as can be seen by the variety of responses.  All are good to one degree or another.  Each to his/her own.

Would you rather tell people to "go figure out the better developer on your own" then? All I'm trying to do is pool together which developer's rendition of each plane is considered the one most worthy of spending money on. I realise "best" is subjective, but even with that, there's no denying there are better renditions than others and some are carried much more as such. If I were to list every rendition of every plane, I'd have to add Abacus as well, and you can be sure there's at least one misguided soul that'll claim Abacus is "best" and thus, with what you said in mind, destroying the purpose of the thread. Flight Simming is already an expensive hobby, and I'm sure a thread like this can have merit to avoid bad purchases and help people along. 

 

I'm not saying all these planes are "must-buy", but it'd help people looking for XYZ to get the best rendition of XYZ on the market. Whether or not they want to buy it is up to them! 

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I think I got the intention of the OP. Pretty similar to saying a plane is a "must" - which should not be taken literally, either.

 

Wish I could suggest another aircraft myself, but the 'Who is who' seem to have gathered here already ...

(This is geared to planes, but you can take it either way ...  ^_^  )

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I don't think such exclusive agreement exists.

 

That PMDG publishes and sells under its logo documents which are clearly marked "Boeing Proprietary" and the NGX Product page contains the Boeing logo with the words "Officially Licensed Product" would indicate some agreement/license does, in fact, exist.  Of course, I'll defer to RSR/Tabs for the correct interpretation.


 

 


Would you rather tell people to "go figure out the better developer on your own" then?

 

You completely missed the point of my post.  I was merely highlighting the importance of precision in terminology regarding your choice of the word "authoritative" in the title.  There are literally hundreds of "best" topics across this forum and this is just another one of them.  It would really simplify things if the moderators established a series of "best of.." pinned polls at the top of the forum and folks could vote on their favorite aircraft, scenery, add-ons, hardware, etc. and have everything in one location.

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It would really simplify things if the moderators established a series of "best of.." pinned polls at the top of the forum and folks could vote on their favorite aircraft, scenery, add-ons, hardware, etc. and have everything in one location.

 

Which is exactly what I'm hoping for. Well, perhaps not exactly, as I think it'd be better to just have people weigh in on the best three or so developers of a scenery/plane/whatever rather than a poll, but the gist of it is similar. I find it strange that there's no "best of" threads pinned to the forum and had hoped a mod could pin this, or at the very lease use it as inspiration for one that can be modded. Threads like this one, like "which AI package is best" etc could all be stopped thus. 

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jetsflier, on 02 Jun 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:
BBS simulations aircraft aren't actually completed aircraft so they most certainly aren't high fidelity [at this stage in the process...]
 
There are other A330s and A340s available [CLS, Wilco, (PSS?)], which while they aren't the same complexity as say the Majestic Q400, they are the highest fidelity in comparison to the other aircraft mentioned.
 
How good are Wilco and CLS' offerings of the A330/A340? I'd love to have both in my hangar, my hangar seems to be very Boeing-dominated at the moment... 

 

Well, I use the CLS one and it is excellent in performance but it isn't the easiest at hand flying. The exterior model is absolutely wonderful. From what I've heard, Wilco has a sucky exterior model but excellent dynamics, so it's your decision on what you prefer in an aircraft.

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I find it strange that members of this community would tell me to be careful for an obvious tongue in cheek remark. It speaks volumes about some members' ability to discuss our hobby in a mature manner.

 

That being said, the "best" is highly subjective. I've researched a particular wide body aircraft that I'm interested in. From what i can gather it's not complete and still has bugs. However, there is a segment of AVSIM's population who say that the bugs come from users NOT knowing how to install the plane. If I'm using this very LUCKY plane, and I have no issues, then it becomes a "must have" for those that like wide body, modern aircraft, IN MY OPINION. If I then recommend this plane, why does my opinion become invalid. It's MY opinion... (And yes I have detailed my own experiences with CS that I'd rather not mention as well)

 

I like the intent of the thread, but perhaps a poll might have been better?

 

As for stickying the post, would that then imply that the AVSIM mods condone its' contents? I'm not a forum mod, or lawyer or whatever, but not sure if stickying would be the thing to do in this instance.

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I find it strange that members of this community would tell me to be careful for an obvious tongue in cheek remark. It speaks volumes about some members' ability to discuss our hobby in a mature manner.

 

That being said, the "best" is highly subjective. I've researched a particular wide body aircraft that I'm interested in. From what i can gather it's not complete and still has bugs. However, there is a segment of AVSIM's population who say that the bugs come from users NOT knowing how to install the plane. If I'm using this very LUCKY plane, and I have no issues, then it becomes a "must have" for those that like wide body, modern aircraft, IN MY OPINION. If I then recommend this plane, why does my opinion become invalid. It's MY opinion... (And yes I have detailed my own experiences with CS that I'd rather not mention as well)

 

I like the intent of the thread, but perhaps a poll might have been better?

 

As for stickying the post, would that then imply that the AVSIM mods condone its' contents? I'm not a forum mod, or lawyer or whatever, but not sure if stickying would be the thing to do in this instance.

 

I would agree, we don't need people who have varying standards for what they want viewing this and thinking that since a moderator stickied it, it must be right or similar. This thread isn't going to work when you use such a subjective term "best."

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How about you just take a poll of the aircraft that are mentioned on this thread! Make sure the guys that vote on  the aircraft are verified users, not just someone riding of opinion of another. That way the ratings would be somewhat accurate. The votes should bare the standard of what you are trying to accomplish here in this thread.

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That PMDG publishes and sells under its logo documents which are clearly marked "Boeing Proprietary" and the NGX Product page contains the Boeing logo with the words "Officially Licensed Product" would indicate some agreement/license does, in fact, exist.  Of course, I'll defer to RSR/Tabs for the correct interpretation.

 

I think PMDG had to put down some money for that licensing deal. IIRC the reason why the NGX PDF manuals have no bookmarks is because those would have been much more expensive to license.

 

But I don't think this license is "exclusive", since there are other developers out there with officially licensed Boeing addons (e.g. the Ramzess T7 for X-Plane).

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"Officially Licensed Product"

From what I know every (commercial) product that has the Boeing logo on it has to be an "Officially Licensed Product", so technically the Abacus 787 is officially licensed, too (and IIRC that's what the box says)!

It's got nothing to do with the company being satisfied with the quality of the product someone else produced, but only with copyright.

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