Interesting. Let us watch and see if your quote is true. If not, what will you say?

 

And did you know Airbus took the lithium ion batteries out of its new A350?

 

I think it shows Airbus will do better, not taking risks.

Looks like they learned something from Boeing trying to advance the system for all airplanes. That's called American ingenuity.   I predict Airbus will re-visit the lithium solution eventually.

 

Bill Gates once said...."If it isn't broke....break it".  That means that going beyond the status quo is the only way to PROGRESS!

 

Stan

Boing is having a ruff time! Even though the 2 incidents at KSFO probably weren't Boings fault!

The 777, 757 or 767 didn't have these issues. Did they?

Every aircraft has issues. Every airline has issues. It is just a matter of whether the public finds out and of how much attention the media wants to give it. I know of one aircraft that had a tendency to completely lose all electrical power in flight. It also has continuing problems with its engines that causes frequent inflight shutdowns. I also know of an airline that nearly crashed two 737s into mountains recently, only luck preventing two accidents that would have been due to poor training of their pilots in one specific aspect of the automation. I know of a 777 that nearly lost both engines recently over the ocean, only pure luck kept it from ditching into the open ocean. There were two cockpit/cabin smoke incidents at Newark this week, on the same day. Where is your outrage regarding all this? You knew of none of this. The media has picked up none of this. Your outrage is completely media driven. The elt fire had nothing to do with the main batteries. In fact, it actually might turn out to be something that affects multiple aircraft types. Neither did any of the recent air returns have anything to do with the batteries. Yes the 787 had a specific problem with it's batteries, but it hasn't had any issues of that nature since its return to flight. The problems that the media has reported on the 787 for recently have all been random and could have happened on any other aircraft. There is a lot more going on than just 787 air returns.

The 777 had issues with its anti-ice system back when it was the new kid on the block. 

I really don't know the reason for this thread! The Boeing 737 series is the most successful airliner in the planet and it has issues. The A320 series had and still has issues and its one of the most successful commercial airliners on the planet. The A380 has crack issues. Embraer, Bombardier, Fairchild, etc. They all have issues! The 787 is new technology, a little different approach. I'm pretty sure once the teething problems pass it's going to be just fine, just like the A350 will have a few issues but it'll also be just fine. I can care less if its Boeing or Airbus, both companies have their own concepts, philosophies and a very different approach, however they both accomplish the same result, flyin people from point A to point B safely. Instead of criticizing why not embrace and encourage the new technology? We all love aviation after all right?

The 777 had issues with its anti-ice system back when it was the new kid on the block.

And did that ground 50 777s for over a month????

Every aircraft has issues. Every airline has issues. It is just a matter of whether the public finds out and of how much attention the media wants to give it. I know of one aircraft that had a tendency to completely lose all electrical power in flight. It also has continuing problems with its engines that causes frequent inflight shutdowns. I also know of an airline that nearly crashed two 737s into mountains recently, only luck preventing two accidents that would have been due to poor training of their pilots in one specific aspect of the automation. I know of a 777 that nearly lost both engines recently over the ocean, only pure luck kept it from ditching into the open ocean. There were two cockpit/cabin smoke incidents at Newark this week, on the same day. Where is your outrage regarding all this? You knew of none of this. The media has picked up none of this. Your outrage is completely media driven. The elt fire had nothing to do with the main batteries. In fact, it actually might turn out to be something that affects multiple aircraft types. Neither did any of the recent air returns have anything to do with the batteries. Yes the 787 had a specific problem with it's batteries, but it hasn't had any issues of that nature since its return to flight. The problems that the media has reported on the 787 for recently have all been random and could have happened on any other aircraft. There is a lot more going on than just 787 air returns.

What registration aircraft has inflight shutdowns?

And did that ground 50 777s for over a month????

 

No but fire is a bit more serious, if you want to talk anti ice issues the ATR seems to be the only plane where many carriers including Eagle stopped flying them in the northern climates after a few crashes (inadequate de-icing boots). Now that is unprecedented for an airliner. The 787 has its issues yes but Boeing has made a good fix on it and if the next battery catches fire I'm sure the fix will work as designed but the ELT is a non Boeing issue and the galley oven may also be non Boeing (B/E aerospace manufactures galley and lav fittings). 

I really don't know the reason for this thread! The Boeing 737 series is the most successful airliner in the planet and it has issues. The A320 series had and still has issues and its one of the most successful commercial airliners on the planet. The A380 has crack issues. Embraer, Bombardier, Fairchild, etc. They all have issues! The 787 is new technology, a little different approach. I'm pretty sure once the teething problems pass it's going to be just fine, just like the A350 will have a few issues but it'll also be just fine. I can care less if its Boeing or Airbus, both companies have their own concepts, philosophies and a very different approach, however they both accomplish the same result, flyin people from point A to point B safely. Instead of criticizing why not embrace and encourage the new technology? We all love aviation after all right?

 

You be my guest then to fly a 787 if you think fires aren't a problem.

 

New technology is fine as long as it doesn't endanger people's lives. That is something you just don't get.

Yeah the 787 isn't looking so good with all of the incidents having a fire problem, Boeing should fix it before something serious happens

Yeah the 787 isn't looking so good with all of the incidents having a fire problem, Boeing should fix it before something serious happens

 

Boeing has a fix for the battery issue, the ELT is a non Boeing issue and the galley smoke could be the oven's fault which again is not a Boeing component. For all we know the galley smoke could have been from burned food that dripped to the bottom of the oven which does happen.

And did that ground 50 777s for over a month????

 

What registration aircraft has inflight shutdowns?

I'm not saying.

I think you should go spend some time on the FAA Airworthiness Directives website and see how many aircraft are affected by AD's....  

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/Frameset?OpenPage

Things like rudder delamination, cracked connectors, wing spur cracks, these things are daily occurrences across multiple fleets. 

 

Heck, the 777 just had a $3M fine for lack of compliance to an AD I believe.   

You be my guest then to fly a 787 if you think fires aren't a problem.

 

New technology is fine as long as it doesn't endanger people's lives. That is something you just don't get.

I have no problem what so ever getting on a 787. I suggest you look into some AD's that are out there. Scary stuff.

The post below is taken from another forum, I should add I can fly up to 3 or 4 times a month with this airline at times using ID90 or 50 tickets, anyone who knows about ID90's will also know beggars can't be choosers, you wait list yourself and if a seat is available you jump on ASAP.

 

This is the first time I refuse to fly on a certain type of aircraft, yes all new aircraft go through teething trouble but fire is not something I am taking a risk with. If we find each other standing together at the ticket desk waiting for a seat on standby you are more then welcome to take my place on the 787, for the next 12 months I will stick with waiting a few extra hours and flying on their 777's and A330's

 

Will also add the only fire I consider not serious is when I light a cigarette or BBQ...

 

 

Attempt to hush up new Qatar 787 fire fails | Plane Talking

 

Attempt to hush up new Qatar 787 fire fails

 

Ben Sandilands | Jul 27, 2013 9:04AM | EMAIL | PRINT

*Updated with link to 787 management change

After days of stonewalling it has been confirmed that a Qatar Airways 787 caught fire, according to some reports, in a rear underfloor part of the fuselage, last Sunday as it was moving into position to take off from Doha airport.

The fire has been described as ‘serious’ in some quarters, ‘not serious’ by the airline, and also by one contact as having extensively damaged an important panel in the electrical bay that also caught fire in a test flight Dreamliner in November 2010, causing an emergency diversion to Laredo where that jet was evacuated.

It may be another reason for Qatar Airways to be reluctant to restore its original ambition to fly 787s between Doha and Perth from 1 February, a long oceanic route route with comparatively few emergency diversionary airport options along the way that would have become Australia’s first scheduled Dreamliner service, but has since been overlooked by the airline as it rebuilds and expands its services with the plastic electric jet.

 

 

goes on . . .

 

Note there are two major panels - the one during flight test was essentially under wing trailing edge and would be considered the forward panel

 

the rear panel is at the aft end of the cargo bay

The 787 is no longer a "new" aircraft!! It's been around for years now. So, these electrical problems, smoke, fires etc cannot be counted as "teething" problems! Hense the media interest!

Why, because all these problems are built into the a/c as designed. Boeing has frankly had long enough over the years to "ensure" that these are designed out of the a/c. They didn't bother methinks because they were too much in a rush to get the 787 into service. The media are rightly picking up on Boeing's faulty quality control and testing (or lack thereof).

All a/c have faults from time to time (especially those built on a Friday!) but the 787's faults all appear to be design faults which should have long ago been rectified.